RE: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:47:16 -0400
I am sorry Rick but this is what is wrong with most coders coming out of
college now days. They code by the drop button and create if statement
method. Have you actually looked at Job listings. A person that learns to
code the way you just laid out whether they be sited or blind will be the
bottom of the barrel. Some jobs asks for Visual studio but a monkey can
make a form and add an if statement to it to make a button do something. If
a person wants to be a coder they need to be make sure they are not getting
themselves where they can be put out by some new AI programming language
that can make the forms straight from a design chart created by a
secretary. That type of coding can be done by anyone.
Colleges switched to GUI environments to make money because any sited person
can create a half baked program with them. They did the same thing to the
electronics field with places like ITT and other tech schools that taught
half baked electronics. Now I am not saying a good electronics person or a
good coder can't come from the easy road what I am saying is it is much more
unlikely that one will.
If on the other hand you start with a compiled language or an assembled
language you will understand what is going on. You shouldn't even worry
about the GUI till you know how programs are logically put together and why.
Otherwise we are going to need that 48 core computer and 12 TB of ram just
to run the next text editor because we as coders are getting slipperier and
messier because we don't understand what is going on under the engine.
Anyway I have ranted enough but a person that is just getting started would
be better to start in straight C and learn what memory was, how to deal with
pointers, and understand what a register is because in the long run if
you're really going to be a coder not a monkey dialog maker you will need
that information and if you think you have become a coder by creating some
monkey dialogs you will find yourself very screwed when you take that job
you are not even close to ready for.
Ken
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:18 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
First, Programming in today's world is a world apart from where we use to
be. It is so much simpler in some ways and light years more complex in other
ways. Programming in the Visual Studio IDE takes a large learning curve. You
need to install and configure that puppy. Fail to do this and you will be
hearing more junk and losing focus more than an intrevert at a rock concert.
That is a pain itself. Then, if you run JAWS you need to configure JAWS,
again better get it right. Then after you get all that done you can open the
IDE and look at a bunch of buttons and dialogs that have seemingly nothing
to do with creating a computer program using computer statements. And, God
Forbid, You try and download and install Sql Server Express, well, you will
be headed for gray hair if you are one of the lucky few who get that far.
You absolutely need to configure the IDE for accessibility, pick the
ssimpelest language, vb.net, to start with and create your first Hello World
Form from the Form1 file. That is after you create a new project of the
Windows Forms type. Then you can drop a couple of buttons, a textbox or 2 on
the Form1 designer, set their properties and code the related VB Code for
the Button Click Events and mess with the Text Properties of the TextBoxes.
If you get that far you will be on your way to learning to Program in Visual
Studio. I would start with the Vb.net Express module since it does not have
all the other languages and is just a little cleaner to start with. Once you
get the nack of making a form do things like Display Output to a user, Read
Inputs from a user and do some Processing on the input, you have the basic
understanding of what computer programming is really about IPO, Input /
Process / Output. If you jump into C++, Visual Studio IDE and a DB you are
jumping out of an airplane and flapping as hard as you can but you can
pretty much guess the final result. But, Give Up? Did We Give Up when the
Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? No, when the going gets tough - the tough ask
questions on list and follow up with more work!
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jes" <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
Hi all,
All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just want to be
able to write a program and have it work! Just once! But no. All I get are
errors! So what's the use in even trying? Encouragement needed badly!
Thanks.
Jes
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