Thanks for all the Info: OK, so to initially avoid loading up apache,
php and MySql on my local machine I guess I could do like Jamal and do
some server side development with a good Drupal Host. Now, I am
starting to look at them but but have the same questions as per any
provider. Is there one that is especially screen reader friendly to
develop in? That is whose control panels and all that jazz will be
accessible and who might be familiar with dealing with a blind client?
Any suggestions of hosts to look at?
I find that the help is a good thing for an inexperienced nube like me
as well.
Thanks:
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 12:05 PM
*Subject:* RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
No I do not use it on my local machine. We have Ubuntu Linux
servers with Droople.
*From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
*RicksPlace
*Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 9:37 AM
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Hay Ken: Do you develop Drupal on your local machine? Is it
running Windows or Linux? Or, if Windows, did you use something
like xampp or the MS Web Platform Installer to build the
development environment?
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Ken Perry <mailto:whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:*programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:*Saturday, December 11, 2010 8:14 AM
*Subject:*RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Do you ever do a presentation at CSUN? If you don't you
should. We use droople at APH and love it but it would be
nice to get some Drooplites to do some presentations.
Ken
*From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
*E.J. Zufelt
*Sent:* Saturday, December 11, 2010 6:48 AM
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Good morning,
Thought I'd jump in here. I am currently the Drupal 7 Core
accessibility maintainer, which basically means I help to
organize efforts around ensuring that Drupal is the most
accessible CMS that it can be. We are by no means perfect,
but we have made some noticeable improvements over Drupal 6,
and Drupal 6 wasn't all that bad.
Yes, Drupal powers Whitehouse.gov <http://Whitehouse.gov>,
along with many other government sites. It is a robust,
secure and highly extensible CMS. However, any accessibility
problems you may notice on a site powered by Drupal has very
little to do with Drupal itself, sometimes people who make
custom themes for Drupal end up making their site less
accessible than Drupal would be out of the box, because they
know little if anything about accessibility.
Drupal is a more difficult to learn system than something like
Wordpress. Generally speaking, Wordpress is designed for
people who want to quickly throw up their own site, whereas
Drupal is designed for site builders and developers as a
platform that can be used to launch more complex web
solutions. With the recent release of Wordpress 3 and the
soon to be released Drupal 7 (currently in RC1), this
difference has been lessened, but definitely still exists.
Both Wordpress and Drupal have many contributed modules and
themes, to extend functionality and to modify the look and
feel (along with the markup) of your site. Most anything you
would ever want a Drupal site to do can be accomplished with
existing contributed modules. If you do need functionality
that is currently not acheivable with contributed modules then
you would need to create a module using the module API,
modules are developed in PHP, as is all of Drupal.
HTH,
Everett Zufelt
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On 2010-12-11, at 5:46 AM, RicksPlace wrote:
Hi Katherine: Well, don't give up on MS just yet. I have just
started looking at how to develop Sharepoint solutions in
Visual Studio and it sounds pretty clean and powerful as an
integrated approach. I know I tried building a Local Website
using Web Parts in VB.net <http://VB.net> 2008 and found the
experience not screen reader friendly. Or, at least, not as
friendly as using standard UI Controls in a regular old
Website. When Windoweyes 8 comes out I might take a look at
Vb.net <http://Vb.net> 2010 to see what, if any, Sharepoint
tools are included in the package and how accessible they are.
In the meantime I have seen that various U.S. Government
agencies and even the White House are supposedly using Drupal
according to one Drupal Website Webpage. That means that it
must be accessible and quite configurable since I would never
have guessed those websites were CMS sites. They just look and
perform like regular websites unlike many of the Drupal and
other CMS sites I have visited recently. So, it seems Drupal
can be used effectively if one knows what they are doing. My
only reason for not jumping on it is that I like to develop on
my local machine and to do that with Drupal I would have to
either install something like xampp or whatever to get a
simulated Linux Environment, set up a Duel Boot software disc
somehow or implement the Microsoft IIS based Web Platform
which is a huge mess to fix if anything goes wrong with any of
it's many,, many modules installed. In fact, one problem would
likely be port conflicts between my current Sql Server and the
MySql server which would be automatically installed. Anyway, I
don't like headaches so am just holding off on playing with
Drupal even though it sounds pretty nice I am of the KISS
school of thought - Keep It Simple Sir! (Note: you can
substitute any word starting with "S" for the word "Sir" in
the above phrase - grin. Oh Ya, I am not so sure that the
thousand or so apps created by third party folks are designed
to be accessible to screen readers so that is always a concern
as well when working with an Open Source Project with no
Accessibility standards for third party software plugs or apps.
Well, that's all I have this morning from
chilly Farmington Michigan and I am off to do a little more
reading on Visual Studio 2010 and Sharepoint 2010 with any
related offerings like Office or other modules and compare the
development and maintenance process to that of Drupal. Right
now I am not sure which way to fall - headaches with Linux on
a Windows machine or working in Visual Studio and withthe
built-in Sharepoint and other tools and the learning curve of
WPF and Silverlight if necessary. I really will tend twoard
the one that is the most stable over the next 5 years or so,
has the easiest procedures for working with sites and offers
the greatest flexibility. Oh ya, also add in a weighted factor
based on the learning curve. I would like to work in the Linux
environment mainly because so many of the old timers on this
list work in it but I have had my doubts about how productive
I might be in that environment compared to a comprehensive
integrated IDE.
I must wait for Windoweyes 8 to see how accessible vb.net
<http://vb.net> 2010 or other VS products will be with it
since they use the new UIA Accessibility hooks.
Later Katherine and don't give up on MS Stuff just pick the
right tool for the job - that is what the qualified
professionals do:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Moss"
<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:27 AM
Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Oh gosh, Jamal, thanks! These anti-Microsoft folks are
killing me! And
whoever called Mojo Portal "Mojo thing that no one has
heard of" better
think again. I'm a volunteer on the project, and I don't
appreciate
people's work being insulted. And besides, that CMS works
on Linux despite
it's coding.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:27 PM
To: ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Hi Rick,
Here is the web site of an ASP.NET-based CMS:
DotNetNuke - The Leading Open Source Web Content
Management Platform for
ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET> -
http://www.dotnetnuke.com/
Jamal
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of RicksPlace
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:43 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Hi Gang: Jim, I don't know just yet. My preference would
be to just learn
whatever Jamal is doing but I am now thinking of putting
up some sites for
some blind folks so their sites are kept up to date and
work well with
screen readers so I am not sure about the scope of my
involvement. It might
be Drupal based or, more likely if really accessible,
something in the
Microsoft venu since I am familiar with their DB stuff and
coding websites
using various ASP Controls and Server Side coding technicals.
For development I might use one of the packages Jacques or
Katherine
mentioned but I can start reading up on them to get some
color on what this
stuff is all about.
Hay, Jacques, are you French? If so, are you from across
the pond?
Later and thanks for the ideas to explore.
Rick Farmington Michigan USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Katherine Moss <mailto:plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Look at both Umbraco and Mojo Portal.
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of RicksPlace
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:01 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
Hi: I know very little about CMS. As a result of Jamal
using it, I
have looked at some of the Drupal docs by googling but am
having trouble
wrapping my head around exactly how it all works since I
am an old
Microsoft user. I am trying to figure out a similar option
in the
Microsoft World. So far I think that Sharepoint and Open
Office, both 2010
versionws with accessibility, sound like they are the
Microsoft
counterpart to Drupal. does this sound about right? Since
they support
ARIA and the other new Web Standards, or at least some
articles say they
do, has anyone tried them out? If there is another
Microsoft thingy where
it looks or works sort of a CMS with DB storage and
perhaps Media support
could you mention it so I can do a little more digging?
It looks like allot of blind folks are trying to use
various CMS
Websites and most of them are pretty bad. They also sound
almost as
complex to create and maintain as a standard Website
developed in
something like VWD. Anyway, thanks for any input you
provide on CMS,
Drupal or any Microsoft counterpart products that I can
research a little
more.
Again, the Microsoft 2010 versions of the Open Office and
Sharepoint are suppose to be accessible where the older
versions were not
very accessible if that helps.
Rick USA
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