Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?

  • From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:20:26 -0700

Rick, I've used both wamp & xamp when developing drupal sites on my
test server. It's no problem. U will want to ensure all needed
security measures are in place, of course, but it works well. Using
that, u can either develop w/wordpress or drupal or, evidently, MoJo
portal. Thanks for telling us about this 1, Catherine. Could u explain
more, or provide a link for further info?

From my perspective, much depends on the site size & the user's
experience level. For small sites &/or relatively inexperienced users,
Wordpress is definitively a plus. For larger sites &/or those
administered by experienced folks, Drupal is indeed a wonderful
option.

I've not developed with either simplecms or mojo, so can't speak to
those intelligently, assuming I could ever speak intelligently to
anything lol.

This has been an informative discussion, making me aware of options I
didn't know existed. I'm also glad to see it hasn't degenerated into
an argument/debate between proponents of the various cms solutions out
there.

Thanks for a great list, all.

On 12/11/10, Katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I must say though that government sites also use Mojo Portal, and his
> mission, it seems, is to make sure that his CMS complies with the 508
> accessibility standard, and he even has me on the development team to ensure
> that he is doing so, and to tell him right away if there is something that
> is not accessible in the least.  The admin's name is Joe Audette.  And by
> the way, that product can use many a database including MySQL, SQL Server,
> SQLite, Firebird SQL, and SQLCE.  Also, it can run on a Linux environment
> with Apache and Mod_ASP.net.  Drupal can also run on IIS if you don't want
> to deal with Linux environments.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 5:46 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>
> Hi Katherine: Well, don't give up on MS just yet. I have just started
> looking at how to develop Sharepoint solutions in Visual Studio and it
> sounds pretty clean and powerful as an integrated approach. I know I tried
> building a Local Website using Web Parts in VB.net 2008 and found the
> experience not screen reader friendly. Or, at least, not as friendly as
> using standard UI Controls in a regular old Website. When Windoweyes 8 comes
> out I might take a look at Vb.net 2010 to see what, if any, Sharepoint tools
> are included in the package and how accessible they are. In the meantime I
> have seen that various U.S. Government agencies and even the White House are
> supposedly using Drupal according to one Drupal Website Webpage. That means
> that it must be accessible and quite configurable since I would never have
> guessed those websites were CMS sites. They just look and perform like
> regular websites unlike many of the Drupal and other CMS sites I have
> visited recently. So, it seems Drupal can be used effectively if one knows
> what they are doing. My only reason for not jumping on it is that I like to
> develop on my local machine and to do that with Drupal I would have to
> either install something like xampp or whatever to get a simulated Linux
> Environment, set up a Duel Boot software disc somehow or implement the
> Microsoft IIS based Web Platform which is a huge mess to fix if anything
> goes wrong with any of it's many,, many modules installed. In fact, one
> problem would likely be port conflicts between my current Sql Server and the
> MySql server which would be automatically installed. Anyway, I don't like
> headaches so am just holding off on playing with Drupal even though it
> sounds pretty nice I am of the KISS school of thought - Keep It Simple Sir!
> (Note: you can substitute any word starting with "S" for the word "Sir" in
> the above phrase - grin. Oh Ya, I am not so sure that the thousand or so
> apps created by third party folks are designed to be accessible to screen
> readers so that is always a concern as well when working with an Open Source
> Project with no Accessibility standards for third party software plugs or
> apps.
> Well, that's all I have this morning from chilly Farmington Michigan and I
> am off to do a little more reading on Visual Studio 2010 and Sharepoint 2010
> with any related offerings like Office or other modules and compare the
> development and maintenance process to that of Drupal. Right now I am not
> sure which way to fall - headaches with Linux on a Windows machine or
> working in Visual Studio and withthe built-in Sharepoint and other tools and
> the learning curve of WPF and Silverlight if necessary. I really will tend
> twoard the one that is the most stable over the next 5 years or so, has the
> easiest procedures for working with sites and offers the greatest
> flexibility. Oh ya, also add in a weighted factor based on the learning
> curve. I would like to work in the Linux environment mainly because so many
> of the old timers on this list work in it but I have had my doubts about how
> productive I might be in that environment compared to a comprehensive
> integrated IDE.
> I must wait  for  Windoweyes 8 to see how accessible vb.net 2010 or other VS
> products will be with it since they use the new UIA Accessibility hooks.
> Later Katherine and don't give up on MS Stuff just pick the right tool for
> the job - that is what the qualified professionals do:
> Rick USA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Katherine Moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2010 1:27 AM
> Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>
>
>> Oh gosh, Jamal, thanks!  These anti-Microsoft folks are killing me!
>> And whoever called Mojo Portal "Mojo thing that no one has heard of"
>> better think again.  I'm a volunteer on the project, and I don't
>> appreciate people's work being insulted.  And besides, that CMS works
>> on Linux despite it's coding.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
>> Mazrui
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 12:27 PM
>> To: ProgrammingBlind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>>
>> Hi Rick,
>> Here is the web site of an ASP.NET-based CMS:
>>
>> DotNetNuke - The Leading Open Source Web Content Management Platform
>> for ASP.NET -
>>
>> http://www.dotnetnuke.com/
>>
>> Jamal
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>> Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:43 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>>
>> Hi Gang: Jim, I don't know just yet. My preference would be to just
>> learn whatever Jamal is doing but I am now thinking of putting up some
>> sites for some blind folks so their sites are kept up to date and work
>> well with screen readers so I am not sure about the scope of my
>> involvement. It might be Drupal based or, more likely if really
>> accessible, something in the Microsoft venu since I am familiar with
>> their DB stuff and coding websites using various ASP Controls and
>> Server Side coding technicals.
>> For development I might use one of the packages Jacques or Katherine
>> mentioned but I can start reading up on them to get some color on what
>> this stuff is all about.
>> Hay, Jacques, are you French? If so, are you from across the pond?
>> Later and thanks for the ideas to explore.
>> Rick Farmington Michigan USA
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Katherine Moss <mailto:plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
>>  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 9:19 AM
>>  Subject: RE: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>>
>>
>>  Look at both Umbraco and Mojo Portal.
>>
>>
>>
>>  From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>  Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 8:01 AM
>>  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>  Subject: Drupal and Microsoft CMS Options?
>>
>>
>>
>>  Hi: I know very little about CMS. As a result of Jamal using it, I
>> have looked at some of the Drupal docs by googling but am having
>> trouble wrapping my head around exactly how it all works since I am an
>> old Microsoft user. I am trying to figure out a similar option in the
>> Microsoft World. So far I think that Sharepoint and Open Office, both
>> 2010 versionws with accessibility, sound like they are the Microsoft
>> counterpart to Drupal. does this sound about right? Since they support
>> ARIA and the other new Web Standards, or at least some articles say
>> they do, has anyone tried them out? If there is another Microsoft
>> thingy where it looks or works sort of a CMS with DB storage and
>> perhaps Media support could you mention it so I can do a little more
> digging?
>>
>>  It looks like allot of blind folks are trying to use various CMS
>> Websites and most of them are pretty bad. They also sound almost as
>> complex to create and maintain as a standard Website developed in
>> something like VWD. Anyway, thanks for any input you provide on CMS,
>> Drupal or any Microsoft counterpart products that I can research a
>> little more.
>>
>>  Again, the Microsoft 2010 versions of the Open Office and Sharepoint
>> are suppose to be accessible where the older versions were not very
>> accessible if that helps.
>>
>>  Rick USA
>>
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