Re: Commodo
- From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:26:39 -0500 (EST)
I think that one might consider contributing to a project even if it
does not immediately serve oneself better than commercial alternatives.
The idea is to help improve a free, open source IDE that uses
technologies that were designed with accessibility in mind, even if they
presently work imperfectly. Successful refinement of Mozilla
components, with help from blind users and programmers, can lead to
other accessible applications besides this particular IDE. Without
constructive participation by people with disabilities, it is doubtful
that such open source components, however well-intentioned, will ever
work as smoothly and reliably as we hope.
Jamal
On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Octavian
Rasnita wrote:
> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:52:32 +0200
> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
> I've made some Jaws scripts for some programs in the past, but I've stopped
> creating scripts, because I think it would be easier to find programs that
> don't require scripts.
>
> I haven't found helpful things in Commodo that can't be done in TextPad, but
> I found very many helpful things that can be done in TextPad but can't be
> done in Commodo, and TextPad is faster and it doesn't require any Jaws
> scripts. So why should I make the effort of creating scripts for a program
> like Commodo?
>
> It could be more perl-oriented than TextPad, but it has very few features
> that could help a little which cannot be found in other editors, so I prefer
> to wait and see if it will become better or if Jaws would work better with
> it.
>
> But anyway, it is still very slow and I don't like this at all.
> I think this is an important negative point of development environments like
> Eclipse and VS.net and Commodo also has it.
>
> I have a Core 2 Duo at 3 GHz processor, but it starts still slow. What could
> I do to make it start as fast as TextPad?
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 6:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Commodo
>
>
> > It sounds like some improvements are needed in the keyboard interface.
> > The problems you describe do not make Komodo a horrible editor.
> > Evidently, it is a frustrating one for you so far, but it deserves an
> > appreciation of its beneficial features as well before condemning it as
> > you do because of some hot key and focus issues. These issues are
> > probably the kinds of things that a set of JAWS scripts could resolve --
> > just as scripts smoothed some rough edges with Visual Studio, which was
> > mostly accessible out of the box.
> >
> > Here is a revolutionary concept: how about starting an open source JAWS
> > scripting project for Komodo? Feel free to ask questions if you need
> > tips on the JAWS scripting language, such as how to assign focus to a
> > control or add a hot key. I'm sure you'll be able to pick up the
> > language quickly with a little effort.
> >
> > Jamal
> > On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Octavian
> > Rasnita wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:39:08 +0200
> >> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: Commodo
> >>
> >> I've seen that I can use the virtual PC cursor, however if I want to
> >> click
> >> on the tab title, I cannot do it with it.
> >> And I need this because I cannot select that tab in other way.
> >>
> >> Here is what I've tried:
> >>
> >> Opened Commodo, chosen File menu/New/File then chosen perl and pressed
> >> enter.
> >> Then I've modified something in the file, and pressed control+S to save
> >> it.
> >> The "Save as..." dialog appeared, and I wanted to cancel it by pressing
> >> escape.
> >>
> >> In that moment the focus was lost. It didn't went to the textarea where
> >> it
> >> was before pressing control+S.
> >> So I was trying to put it back there. I've tried pressing Control+Home
> >> but
> >> Jaws (8) just spoken some words, possibly the titles of some tabs, or
> >> toolbar elements... I don't know, but the focus was not moved to any
> >> program
> >> element.
> >>
> >> So I've tried pressing Control+Tab for more times, but nothing happend.
> >> After switching to another application then back to Commodo, and a few
> >> other
> >> control+Tab and tab keys, I've seen that I could move from a tab title to
> >> another, but those tab titles were for something else, not for selecting
> >> the
> >> currently open document.
> >>
> >> I couldn't get to those tabs, and even if I could do it, I think that
> >> Commodo has big bugs, because otherwise it wouldn't lose the focus that
> >> way.
> >> (If some list members say that it is great and that only Jaws 6 has
> >> problems
> >> accessing it).
> >>
> >> That's why I try to move the focus to the wanted tab title by clicking on
> >> it
> >> with the Jaws cursor.
> >> But finally I was able to move the focus to the currently opened file tab
> >> title using F6 for more times. It was ok, however I couldn't move the
> >> focus
> >> from that tab title to the textarea using Control+Tab, or just tab...
> >>
> >> I've seen that if I have chosen to close it without saving the file, it
> >> asked what I wanted to do, but it didn't even offered a hotkey for
> >> choosing
> >> "Don't save any file"
> >> I think that most editors allow us to just press "N" in order to choose a
> >> "No", and we don't need to tab for more times in order to be able to
> >> press
> >> that button.
> >>
> >> So it is not a great editor, not even with Jaws 8. Maybe 9?? Or 19? :-)
> >>
> >> I like some of the ActiveState's programs if they are good, like
> >> ActivePerl
> >> and Perl Developer Kit, but not their inaccessible GUI ppm or Commodo.
> >>
> >> Octavian
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "James Panes" <jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 3:53 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Commodo
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hi Teddy,
> >> >
> >> > If you have not already been told by 10 other list members. . .
> >> >
> >> > Try using the invisible cursor. It can read objects on the screen
> >> > without
> >> > triggering them the way the JAWS cursor does.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Jim
> >> > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
> >> > jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > "Everything is easy when you know how."
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:25 PM
> >> > Subject: Commodo
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I've installed again Jaws 8 because I heard from many of the list
> >> > members
> >> > that it works very well with Commodo.
> >> > However, I found that it works not as bad as Jaws 6, but horrible
> >> > enough.
> >> >
> >> > I told you about that issue that I cannot read the title of the
> >> > currently
> >> > opened perl file with the Jaws cursor on the tab title, because Commodo
> >> > seems to pop-up a menu when I move the Jaws cursor.
> >> >
> >> > Well, it seems that this problem is the same with Jaws 8 as with Jaws
> >> > 6.
> >> > What were you doing to be able to do that?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > Octavian
> >> >
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