I definately noticed that JAWS 9 beta worked better with my fruit basket program than JAWS 6.2. Jamal On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Aaron Leventhal wrote: > Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:51:15 -0400 > From: Aaron Leventhal <aaronlev@xxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Commodo > > Hi Octavian, > > I just saw at the end of this that you are using JAWS 6. Unfortunately > JAWS only started making Mozilla technologies accessible since something > like JAWS 7.1 > > You ask if Firefox is the same. I would say no -- we (largely myself) > have put a large amount of effort specifically into making Firefox > itself accessible. No such effort has yet gone into Komodo (note -- it's > spelled with a K and one M). > > It would be great to find out if more recent versions of JAWS (such as > the JAWS 9 beta) work better with Komodo. > > - Aaron > > Octavian Rasnita wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have installed again Commodo and here is what I found: > > > > 1. If I press Insert+num pad minus in order to route the Jaws cursor > > to the PC cursor, sometimes the menu is activated, but only sometimes. > > > > 2. I needed to use the Jaws cursor, because right after starting > > Commodo, the editor is not accessible. I expected to press Insert+Tab > > and hear "edit", but instead I heard something more strange. > > > > 3. I opened the File menu, and I selected "New" and I pressed enter > > and in that moment I've seen that the new option has a submenu which > > is not announced by Jaws. Does Commodo need some special scripts which > > are not provided by Jaws 6? I am using Jaws 6 because the Eloquence > > from newer versions of Jaws doesn't read the special chars correctly. > > > > 4. I chosen to create a new file and it appeared a list with file > > formats, telling "Templates list Text 20 of 22, -85004040 of 0"... or > > a closed number. > > > > I've noticed that the FruitBasket program made by Jamal with XUL works > > the same, telling that garbage with minus 85000000 of 0. > > > > 5. After choosing "Perl file" and pressing enter, it created a new tab > > named "perl1.pl" or something like that. I cannot read the exact title > > of the tab, because I cannot use the Jaws cursor well in Commodo. If I > > route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor, I see that the menus are > > activated. > > > > 6. Another problem I've seen is because If I just move the Jaws > > cursor, a menu seems to activate itself without needing any click. > > This is very bad, because I can't read the screen with the Jaws cursor. > > Anything I do, I cannot read the titles of tab pages with the Jaws > > cursor. > > > > 7. Now in the editing area, if I press Insert+tab, instead of telling > > me "edit" like most text editors, it tells me a very long string which > > is not nice at all". > > Do I need to change the Windows Class of the editing area? I think > > I'll try this. (I also need to change the highlight color assignment, > > because if I select a text in the editor, Jaws cannot read that text). > > > > 8. I've tried changing something in the file then save it. I've seen > > that the "Save as" window doesn't allow us choosing the encoding of > > the file (which is not very important to be right here) but it also > > don't allow us to choose the end of line format in which we want to > > save the file (Unix/Win/Mac), and this is important to be right here, > > at least for me. This is not a bug, but just a missing feature. > > > > 9. Sometimes if I press Control+Home in the editing area in order to > > move the cursor at the beginning of the file, Jaws tells me "File, > > Edit, Code... the name of all the menus. > > It seems that this happends because Jaws can't discover where is the > > PC cursor after pressing Control+S then escape. Now I can press the up > > or down arrows, control+Tab or shift+Control+tab, but nothing > > happends. Jaws doesn't speak anything. I think I need to restart Commodo. > > If I try to use the Jaws cursor and I move it faster up or down, Jaws > > doesn't speak anything. > > > > 10. I've tried to delete the text word by word with control+backspace. > > The words are deleted, but Jaws doesn't speak those words. > > > > 11. I've tried to read the status bar of the window with the Jaws > > cursor, because it is too much text there and I want to see the line > > and column number of the cursor, but I can't read the status bar > > neither, because each time I press Control+left or right arrows, a > > menu seems to be opened. > > Now I've tried to see what's in that menu, because at a certain moment > > when moving the Jaws cursor with control+left or right, I hear "menu". > > I've tried then using up and down arrows. I have also tried first > > switching to the PC cursor, then using up or down, but with no luck. > > After doing that, I couldn't continue to read the text written in the > > editing area. I couldn't even return to Outlook Express because I > > couldn't read anything in this message I write right now. So I needed > > to close Commodo a second time, then I was able to write you. > > > > 12. I've seen that message "minus 85 millions and something of 0" is > > read when using a combo box too. Too bad, especially that in combo > > boxes the real number of the list elements is not read at all. > > > > 13. In the "Find" dialog (Control+F), the buttons don't have a hotkey > > defined, or at least Jaws cannot detect it if using Shift+Num pad 5. > > > > 14. Even if I press Control+F or Control+H for replace, the Window > > that appear is always entitled "Find and replace". This can be > > confusing sometimes. > > > > 15. I've tried to change some preferences from the Edit menu, but some > > elements are not very accessible because the text that describes them > > are not read entirely. > > > > 16. After closing with Ok button that preferences window, now Jaws > > lost the focus again and I cannot read the text from the editor with > > the PC cursor. So I need to close and reopen Commodo once more. > > > > 17. I like that Commodo has F8 and shift+F8 for jumping to the > > previous and next subroutine, but this can be done so easy with a find > > for "sub " then jumping around with F3 and Shift+F3 which is better > > known. A helpful thing though. I hope it also offers the possibility > > of defining bookmarks. > > > > > > 18. Control+F8 for finding all functions could be nice if its > > interface would be better, but Jaws speaks so much garbage, that I > > would prefer to search the subroutines manually than in that list. And > > after displaying that list of functions (subroutines), I wasn't able > > to make it disappear with an escape, but I needed to choose a > > subroutine then press enter. Maybe the focus moved to that subroutine, > > but then I wasn't able to move the cursor from there, but first I > > needed to switch the focus to another application then come back. > > > > 19. I've saved a file and Jaws lost again the focus. I've pressed for > > a few times some keys like control+Tab and others I don't remember and > > Jaws read for me some checkboxes without names. I've even seen a list > > of files and I pressed enter on one of them and Commodo told me that > > there is no such a file and asked me if I want to create it. Ok, I > > understand I might have been doing something wrong, but I wanted to > > read again that dialog message but I couldn't do it and this is not ok. > > Jaws was not reading anything, so I have chosen that I don't want to > > create that file. > > > > 20. I couldn't see an easy way of defining more bookmarks like in > > TextPad and this feature is very important for me. > > I've seen other things like breakpoints and other things, but no > > hotkeys for creating a bookmark, deleting a bookmark, jumping to the > > previous and next bookmark, and deleting all the bookmarks. > > Isn't this possible with Commodo? > > > > Anyway, as you might have seen, Commodo is very hard accessible at > > least with Jaws 6 without special scripts for it, but even if it can > > be made to be more accessible, it doesn't have some features other > > editors have. > > > > Is Firefox same... "accessible"? > > > > Octavian > > > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind