Anna: ...that will work just fine. J. -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna Giller Sent: October 15, 2009 14:52 To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle Jim, My Eclipse structure includes an additional folder and looks like this: C:\eclipse-jee-ganymede-SR1-win32\eclipse\plugins Does it make any difference to the process of getting plug-ins? Also would you recommend me to upgrade to Eclipse 3.5 version, or this one is good enough? Thank you, Anna -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Corbett, James Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:41 PM To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle ...again the C:\Eclipse\plugins folder to be exact.... J. -----Original Message----- From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Raikes Sent: October 15, 2009 14:11 To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle Anna, From what I know, all you do is download the zip file, and unzip it into the eclipse installation folder. However, as I have said, I am a total novice at eclipse. > -----Original Message----- > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:54 AM > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > Don, > > If you've never heard about jora, it might be something unofficial and > has a lot of bugs. > Do you really recommend me to install it, or it's better to deal with > the plug-in you've been testing? > > Is it correct, that Eclipse plug-ins do not require any installation, > just the download? > Which folder to download it into? > > Thank you very much, > Anna > > > -----Original Message----- > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Raikes > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 1:35 PM > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > Anna, > > No this sounds like a different plugin, but it sounds promising. > > Our oepe download page is at: > http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/oepe/oepe_1 > 1113.html > > I cannot access the site for some reason, maybe otn.oracle.com is down > at the moment, but my contact says this is the proper download > location. > > You want the 1.3 version of the plugin. > > The OEPE plugin may provide a lot of functionality you do not need, so > you may want to try the jora plugin as well. > > I don't have a clean eclipse installation so I can't test the jora > plugin separately. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:21 AM > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > Don, > > > > I've done some research and found the following link: > > http://jora.luenasoft.de/index_en.html > > > > Would you please let me know if it's the product you've been talking > > about. > > > > Thank you very much, > > Anna > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Raikes > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:53 PM > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > Anna, > > > > I will try to find the links. the link I have for downloading is > > internal only, so I will need to find the external link. > > I haven't found any good docume ntation about how to use it as yet, > > but I have pinged one of the guys who has been doing a lot of work > > with it to see if he can provide some pointers to external docs as > > well. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 6:35 AM > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > Hi Don! > > > > > > Is it hard to install this plug-in? > > > If it's basically accessible, I would like to start using it right > > > now. > > > Would you please tell me how to download it, and where to get a > > > quick start guide. > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > Anna > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Don Raikes > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:49 PM > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > No problem. > > > I am trying the plugin that oracle has for eclipse, and so far, it > > > looks pretty accessible. > > > I am just trying to find out what kind of functionality it has in > > > the area of databsae interaction. I opened a connection to my > > > oracle 10g database as system, and have been able to browse > > > through the users and their tables just fine. > > > > > > I selected data -> edit on one of the tables, and while the fields > > > read just fine, I wasn't getting any relationship to the column > > > headers, so will be filing a bug on that soon. > > > > > > I have to confess I am a total novice when it comes to eclipse, so > > > don't know if there are any tricks to making it more accessible as > > > a framework. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:18 PM > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > Thanks for trying! > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Don Raikes > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 4:14 PM > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > I downloaded teh trial version of FriendlySql, but it keeps > > > > telling me that I need an internet connection to run it. I > > > > obviously have > > > an internet > > > > connection, so I can't evaluate the software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:36 AM > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > > > > > I've just found the tool called Friendly Sql, being advertised > > > > > as Oracle database browser and editor. > > > > > It sounds really friendly. > > > > > It's not free of charge, but I would rather spend money, > > > than have a > > > > > constant frustration. > > > > > Please let me know if you've ever heard about it. > > > > > Here is the link: > > > > > http://friendlysql.com/guide.html > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > Don Raikes > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:24 PM > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > No problem. I am going to be checking out a newer oracle > > > > > product which is an extension to eclipse, and if it offers the > > > > > functionality you need, i will let you know since it sounds > > > > > like yo are already familiar with eclipse. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:01 AM > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, and please let me get back to you when > > > > > > I'm completely stuck. > > > > > > Also please keep me posted on any Oracle new > accessible tools > > > > > > and any news > > > > > > regarding accessibility. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > > Don Raikes > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:52 PM > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > No the helpdesk should be able to give you the isql > address, > > > > > > then you just > > > > > > access via your browser and you can do anything, I > think, you > > > > > > need in sql to > > > > > > interact with the database. > > > > > > > > > > > > You can also maybe google "oracle isql" and see if > there is a > > > > > > link to the > > > > > > isql manual online. most of our documentation is available > > > > > > online, but I don't remember the urls for them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:49 AM > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your information is extremely useful. > > > > > > > Please let me double check: after the help desc installs > > > > > > > Oracle database I should keep the url for the isql > > > > > > > application, and then install ISQL myself. > > > > > > > Is it correct? > > > > > > > Is there a quick start guide for ISQL? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > > > Don Raikes > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:39 PM > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Speaking unofficially, depending on the version of the > > > > > > > database you have installed, you may get the isql > > > > > > > webclient installed with > > > > > > it. This is a > > > > > > > web-based sql client which will generate proper > html tables > > > > > > > of the data, I > > > > > > > believe, although i haven't tried it in several years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At the end of the database installation, there is > a window > > > > > > > that appears that > > > > > > > lists the ports for all web-based administration tools > > > > > > > including isql, so have whomever is doing the install make > > > > > > > sure to > > note the url > > > > > > > for the isql > > > > > > > application. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, depending on the version of database being > installed > > > > > > > the installer > > > > > > > will be "fairly" accessible with jaws. I say > fairly because > > > > > > > there are, or > > > > > > > have been some areas where it gets a bit tricky > to use, but > > > > > > > with a little > > > > > > > work it is possible to get it to speak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** all views expressed are those of the author > and have no > > > > > > bearing on > > > > > > > Oracle's official position on accessibility. *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:24 AM > > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Don! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you mean that command line tool is the only > > interactive > > > > > > > > tool in Oracle? > > > > > > > > Then how to work productively without being able to > > > associate > > > > > > > > the data with > > > > > > > > their column names? > > > > > > > > My co-workers use some online tools to > manipulate Oracle > > > > > > > > data. Is there any > > > > > > > > accessible one? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > > > > > Don Raikes > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:12 PM > > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The sqlplus that ships with the database is a > fairly good > > > > > > > > command-line tool. > > > > > > > > It speaks fairly well wit hjaws, however, it has the > > > > > > > > limitations of all command-line tools like need to use > > > > > > > > the jaws cursor > > > to review > > > > > > > > output, and in > > > > > > > > a listing of data no way to associate data columns > > > with their > > > > > > > > headings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, soon (hopefully within the next couple > > of months), > > > > > > > > JDeveloper 11g > > > > > > > > patchset 1 will be released which will have some real > > > > > > nice database > > > > > > > > management tools included along with a complete > java/web > > > > > > development > > > > > > > > environment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope to be putting up some tutorials on how to use > > > > > > > > JDeveloper with JAWS soon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Anna Giller [mailto:anna.giller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:39 AM > > > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JDBC is OK, it's plain Java, I can use Eclipse for it. > > > > > > > > > What about Oracle SQL environment? Is it > > > accessible enough? > > > > > > > > > Is it difficult to write and execute a simple query > > > > to create > > > > > > > > > table and > > > > > > > > > insert data? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > > > > > > > > Corbett, James > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:21 AM > > > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Re: Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would take a look at JDBC connections and > perhaps the > > > > > > JNDI tree > > > > > > > > > depending upon your web server.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > [mailto:program-java-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On > Behalf Of > > > > > > > Anna Giller > > > > > > > > > Sent: October 14, 2009 11:10 > > > > > > > > > To: program-java@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > Subject: [program-java] Oracle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Everyone! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need to learn Java with Oracle database. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm getting Oracle installed on my machine tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would you please give me an idea what to start with. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know a brief accessible tutorial on Oracle SQL? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >