I thank you all who have sent url's and programs for detecting Trojans, but it's Trojan destroyer I need, all of these programs tell me what I already know, that I have a trojan called etc and please run AVG to get rid of it. I went to the AVG site and it told me to close and disable "restore" feature in XP so I did and ran AVG, and it still can't get rid of this trojan. I'm now ready with a 12 guage and am pointing it at the "c" drive, will this rid me of this troublesome beast if I pull the trigger..........mind you I'm open to any reasonable suggestions as to do it properly. Billy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.700 / Virus Database: 457 - Release Date: 06/06/2004 -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.