The funny thing is, I ran Trend house call, and it didn't pick up the Trojan, but it did pick up other bits and bobs that AVG hadn't. this thing has been really wierd. Billy > If you post here > http://forums.net-integration.net/index.php?s=6ddd128e5fb95207a1d74a1b17575cda&showforum=32 > i'm sure you'll get a very friendly and competent answer and solution soon. > > But you sound like you have enough experience to find the culprit > yourself. According to your answer to Ed's questions, you should be able > to delete the trojan simply by turning off System Restore, because > that's where you say it is. When you turn System Restore off correctly, > it deletes that folder. But the trojan is probably elsewhere too. > > Did you turn off System Restore *and* then immediately restart Windows > in safe mode *and* run AVG? If you did all that and AVG can't kill it, > that would be the first case i've seen of AVG not working correctly, > especially since it found the trojan. Try downloading a different > antivirus program. This would really interest me and probably you and > many others if another program would handle this pest better than AVG. > > Have you tried following these directions?: > www.nohack.net/detection.htm > > I just sent an email to the TDS-3 people. It definitely does not say > that the program will only detect and not delete during the 30-day trial > period. If it doesn't delete, you can't see if and how it works. That is > a scam not used by trustworthy companies. > > Ek > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.701 / Virus Database: 458 - Release Date: 07/06/2004 -------list-services-below----------- Regards, John Durham (list moderator) <http://modecideas.com/contact.html?sig> Freelists login at //www.freelists.org/cgi-bin/lsg2.cgi List archives at //www.freelists.org/archives/pchelpers PC-HELPERS list subscribe/unsub at http://modecideas.com/discuss.htm?sig Latest news live feeds at http://modecideas.com/indexhomenews.htm?sig Good advice is like good paint- it only works if applied.