It is neither the question of cheap developers or expensive DBAs, the question was about the cost and user-friendliness of the product. With almost same features, one is costing much more than the other. In my original post I wrote how BerkelyDB's licensing is fr more expensive than similar products (don't include M$ if you are irritated with it). Until and unless Oracle comes out with a GUI to manage administration easily, people will praise the black screen because there is no option. =========================================================== > Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 19:59:57 +1100 > From: dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx > To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Why is Oracle unaffordable? > > Kellyn Pedersen wrote,on my timestamp of 9/11/2010 6:55 AM: > > > performing poorly. When someone comes to me with the blanket statement, "SQL > > Server and MySQL just can't stand up to 24X7 database requirements" I laugh. > > It's not the database platform that failed the requirements, it's the person > > that installed it and the database design. > > Invariably, one of the "cheap developers" that seem to be the alternative to > "expensive dbas" nowadays... Same problem here. > First two years where I am now, we saved >$2M in M$ fees by simply combining > and > consolidating the myriad "databases" - one server for each!!! - installed all > around the place, into three major production servers. > Now we spend <$200K in M$ fees. > Same was done for Oracle, down to three major production servers from >10. > Regardless of what M$ and Oracle might think of that loss of revenue, I think > that was not a bad return for investing in an "expensive dba". Particularly > since the salary for said dba is much, much less than the licence fees... > > > > when I say this- I have created SQL Server environments with web properties > > that > > can out perform Oracle for the same purpose and function. Before I was > > brought > > in to tune them, they ran like dogs though. They weren't properly designed, > > properly configured, tuned or installed. This takes time and expertise and > > Microsoft has made it way to easy for just anyone to create a SQL Server db. > > Bingo. > > > > I truly believe this is because it was built by someone who is a DBA, who > > knows > > his/her craft. Databases shouldn't be easy to install and configure for > > anyone. > > Yeah, and I'll bet no one properly costed that "expensive" dba against the > prior > waste in licensing. In another year or so when all is forgotten about the > previous bad performance, they'll be after said "expensive dba" like a ton of > bricks. Aided of course by every marketing department and sales group out > there > willing to "prove" they can place a "much cheaper" dba. > > And the madness goes on... > > -- > Cheers > Nuno Souto > in hazy Sydney, Australia > dbvision@xxxxxxxxxxxx > -- > //www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l > >