I'm going to throw a little twist into this discussion. As much as people complain about the need for a GUI and the "why or why Oracle must be made so complicated", I'm a multi-platform DBA that consistently goes into shops as an Oracle DBA who ends up doing major overhauls on SQL Servers and MySQL db's because they are so easily designed to be installed and configured by anyone. This results in the databases being installed and configured WRONG and in turn, performing poorly. When someone comes to me with the blanket statement, "SQL Server and MySQL just can't stand up to 24X7 database requirements" I laugh. It's not the database platform that failed the requirements, it's the person that installed it and the database design. This will most likely get everyone in a more heated battle than anything else when I say this- I have created SQL Server environments with web properties that can out perform Oracle for the same purpose and function. Before I was brought in to tune them, they ran like dogs though. They weren't properly designed, properly configured, tuned or installed. This takes time and expertise and Microsoft has made it way to easy for just anyone to create a SQL Server db. In my current shop we have a MySQL db farm that was designed by one of my fellow DBA's that recently replaced a massive Oracle environment due to cost constraints. This time it was the Oracle database that was installed and configured by a novice. It was a nightmare and the MySQL db's are kicked butt and taking names right now vs. what Oracle was able to do for the requirements of this application... I truly believe this is because it was built by someone who is a DBA, who knows his/her craft. Databases shouldn't be easy to install and configure for anyone. They should require expertise and this leads us to the answer to your question about Oracle being unaffordable: Because in the end, you get what you paid for... :) Kellyn Pedersen Sr. Database Administrator http://www.linkedin.com/in/kellynpedersen www.dbakevlar.com ________________________________ From: RP Khare <passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Mon, November 8, 2010 2:31:07 AM Subject: Why is Oracle unaffordable? Hi, I don't want to initiate a religious war. I have been using MySQL since last two years in production environment. I used SQL Server Express and Oracle Express before. I have no complaints with either of the databases, except that Oracle is over expensive and the architecture is unnecessarily complicated. I want to know whether the complexity of the Oracle architecture and its ever demanding need for a dedicated DBA is worth paying or not. If you are an Oracle disciple, I don't want to hurt you and my views here are totally unbiased. I need an embedded database for a shrink-wrapped application. I looked around for the alternatives. I read about SQL Server CE, SQL Anywhere and BerkleyDB. I want to try BerkleyDB, but the prices are too high. You could afford and enterprise class IBM DB2 or Sybase Adaptive Server or SQL Server with a far lesser amount. Oracle is a good product but it is beyond the reach of customers other than big giants who pump in too much money just to keep those DBAs happy, who sit around that black dump command line screen. Why it can't be GUI and simple and affordable? ............... Rohit.