give him 11.2.0.2 RAC to run then :) On Mon, Nov 8, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Goulet, Richard <Richard.Goulet@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: > Kellyn, > > Hear Hear. But as my boss says, anyone can run setup. > > No, don't drink the Microsoft Kool-Aid. > > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: > oracle-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Kellyn Pedersen > *Sent:* Monday, November 08, 2010 2:56 PM > > *To:* passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx; oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Subject:* Re: Why is Oracle unaffordable? > > I'm going to throw a little twist into this discussion. As much as > people complain about the need for a GUI and the "why or why Oracle must be > made so complicated", I'm a multi-platform DBA that consistently goes into > shops as an Oracle DBA who ends up doing major overhauls on SQL Servers and > MySQL db's because they are so easily designed to be installed and > configured by anyone. This results in the databases being installed and > configured WRONG and in turn, performing poorly. When someone comes to me > with the blanket statement, "SQL Server and MySQL just can't stand up to > 24X7 database requirements" I laugh. It's not the database platform that > failed the requirements, it's the person that installed it and the database > design. > > This will most likely get everyone in a more heated battle than anything > else when I say this- I have created SQL Server environments with web > properties that can out perform Oracle for the same purpose and > function. Before I was brought in to tune them, they ran like dogs though. > They weren't properly designed, properly configured, tuned or installed. > This takes time and expertise and Microsoft has made it way to easy for just > anyone to create a SQL Server db. > > In my current shop we have a MySQL db farm that was designed by one of my > fellow DBA's that recently replaced a massive Oracle environment due to cost > constraints. This time it was the Oracle database that was installed and > configured by a novice. It was a nightmare and the MySQL db's are kicked > butt and taking names right now vs. what Oracle was able to do for the > requirements of this application... > > I truly believe this is because it was built by someone who is a DBA, who > knows his/her craft. Databases shouldn't be easy to install and configure > for anyone. They should require expertise and this leads us to the answer > to your question about Oracle being unaffordable: > > Because in the end, you get what you paid for... :) > > > Kellyn Pedersen > > Sr. Database Administrator > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/kellynpedersen > > www.dbakevlar.com <http://www.dbakevlar.blogspot.com/> > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* RP Khare <passionate_programmer@xxxxxxxxxxx> > *To:* oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > *Sent:* Mon, November 8, 2010 2:31:07 AM > *Subject:* Why is Oracle unaffordable? > > Hi, > > I don't want to initiate a religious war. I have been using MySQL since > last two years in production environment. I used SQL Server Express and > Oracle Express before. I have no complaints with either of the databases, > except that Oracle is over expensive and the architecture is unnecessarily > complicated. I want to know whether the complexity of the Oracle > architecture and its ever demanding need for a dedicated DBA is worth paying > or not. If you are an Oracle disciple, I don't want to hurt you and my > views here are totally unbiased. > > I need an embedded database for a shrink-wrapped application. I looked > around for the alternatives. I read about SQL Server CE, SQL Anywhere and > BerkleyDB. I want to try BerkleyDB, but the prices are too high. You could > afford and enterprise class IBM DB2 or Sybase Adaptive Server or SQL Server > with a far lesser amount. > > > Oracle is a good product but it is beyond the reach of customers other than > big giants who pump in too much money just to keep those DBAs happy, who sit > around that black dump command line screen. Why it can't be GUI and simple > and affordable? > > > ............... > Rohit. > > > > > > > > > > > -- Niall Litchfield Oracle DBA http://www.orawin.info