What you have done is to put a background image on every page and also duplicate that in the top shared border along with the logo. Then coloured all the backgrounds the same colour. and inserted the code to push the margins to the top and left. it's quite a clever effect actually and works very well. It's not what Stephen want's though... he needs to use a table to push the shared border to the lengths and widths he wants it go.. but with 100% I'm not sure this is going to work.. I can't test it at the moment because I'm using fp for something else and my computer gets huffy if I use to many resources... I liked your site:) I think Stephen would be better with includes .. see this test template... http://accessfp.net/template14.htm it uses includes and a base table of 100% .. the menu's are fixed but all other other table/cells are 100%... is this the kind of thing you want Stephen? if you do I would not use such a complicated template as this.. (I've learnt a bit since I made it:)... next incarnation it's going to be much plainer...so I don't have to use as many cells to get the colouring effect, I'd just figured out about spacers 1x1 pixel transparent gifs ... and wanted to use them to good effect:).. also I don't like the orange colour any more... but it's too late now I've done my whole site.. I'll be publishing it soon.. oh and also netscape is very unforgiving if the content in the middle cell pushes out.. it has to be perfect... sigh. Tina AccessFP - FrontPage Resource Centre Site - http://www.accessfp.net/ Journal - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AccessFPJournal Ezine & Forums - http://anyfrontpage.com/ FREE FP E-Books Tina's FrontPage News http://www.personal-computer-tutor.com/ABC.htm Tina ************************************************************* PLEASE READ!!!! This is not S*P*A*M! You are receiving this mail because you either subscribed to mso@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or to it's earlier version, MicrosoftOffice@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To Unsubscribe from this group, send an email to mso-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject line that says "unsubscribe" (without the quotes). Do not put unsubscribe IN CAPS. Screaming doesn't get you out any faster and the caps prevent the function from working. To change your email settings to digest or vacation (no mail), visit the group's homepage for full instructions. //www.freelists.org/webpage/mso *************************************************************