[modeleng] Re: crb
- From: "Terry Lane" <tel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:06:14 +1000
Yeah Peter, I understand that part of it, but I should think that well over
90% of potential or practicing offenders would have no record and, thus, not
show up anyway, leading, as Fingers says, to a false sense of security.
Over here one of the practices is to have workers sign a stat. dec. to the
effect that they are not paedophiles - have a think about just how effective
that is.
I guess what I am saying is that neither method provides the slightest
measure of protection for either a child or an innocent adult. It's just a
way for organisations to cover their ass (or their yak if you prefer)
> Tel
>
> The purpose of CRB is to identify criminal convictions so if it was a sex
> crime you stop them getting near children. The only possible error
(Iwould
> hope) is someone with the same name but as dates of birth have to be
> supplied as well there should be no problem.
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Terry Lane" <tel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:59 AM
> Subject: [modeleng] Re: crb
>
>
> I'm still in the dark here, in that I can not see what real protection
(for
> either party) the CRB report can offer, other than identifying someone who
> has been caught before.
>
> Has, for example, a person whose name has not appeared on the list? got
some
> measure of protection against a false accusation?
>
> > Thanks Tim. As you have visited my office, opposite IDSME, you can
vouch
> > for the fact that I at least appear to be a solicitor, and the Law
Society
> > can satisfy any doubting Thomas's.
> >
> > The purpose of the CRB check is to protect your organisation as much as
to
> > protect children. It is not compulsory, as far as I am aware, for a
Santa
> > Special so no concern there. Also if there is no physical contact
between
> > FC and the children AND children are not left alone with FC at any time
> then
> > I think you are ok.
> >
> > As for scouts the real issue is that any adult, leader, helper, or
parent
> > can potentially end up on their own with a child. Therein lies the
> danger.
> >
> > See http://www.crb.gov.uk/
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Rickard" <the_viffer@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:22 AM
> > Subject: [modeleng] Re: crb
> >
> >
> > Well Peter C holds himself out as a lawyer: I've not checked with the
Law
> > Society but if it is a con he has done a good job setting up a firm of
> > solicitors as a front. (I also earn my living as a professional
litigator
> > but not in this field at all).
> >
> > I think anyone can apply for a CRB check but if you get the right
sponsor
> > the fee is less or they will pay. There is a CRB website but I don't
have
> > the URL to hand
> >
> > >From: "Richard Harvey" <rharvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > >Well we are running a santa special and as usual FC doesn't come into
> > >contact with any children and has numerous helpers of either sex with
him
> > >at
> > >all times. From a barrack room lawyer point of view I see no issue but
do
> > >we
> > >have a proper lawyer amongst us? I also understand that an individual
> > >cannot
> > >apply for crb it has to come through some organisation (council, scouts
> > >etc)
> > >is this correct?
> > >
> > >Kind regards,
> > >Richard
> > >
> > >Richard Harvey
> > >EPOS Systems Manager
> > >Exchequer Software Ltd
> > >
> > >Tel: +44(0)1202 298008
> > >DDI:+44(0)1202 204415
> > >Helpline: +44(0)1202 292299
> > >rharvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >www.exchequer.com
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> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >[mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > >Behalf Of Tim Rickard
> > >Sent: 18 October 2004 16:23
> > >To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: [modeleng] Re: crb
> > >
> > >I've had one done. You might wonder whether you really want to hand
over
> > >bank account information "to allow the checks to be conducted quicker"
> but
> > >it is a fairly painless if slightly expensive procedure.
> > >
> > >My personal but sad rule is not to touch any children apart from my own
> and
> > >of my very immediate family. Not least following a school trip to the
> local
> > >church where I am not wholly unknown where the vicar expressed surprise
> > >that
> > >a little girl (not my own) who I know very well snuggled up to me
because
> > >the talk was a little long and boring. The FC at my daughters' primary
> > >school has an elf for his own protection watching at all times and the
> > >children do not sit on his lap. I recommend that you follow that
course.
> > >
> > >Sad there are such rules. Sad that there are people who make them
> necessary
> > >which expression I do not wholly limit to dirty old men
> > >
> > > >From: "Richard Harvey" <rharvey@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Does anyone on the list have experiences with CRB checks, with
specific
> > > >references to Santa Specials and 'Father Christmas'?
> > > >
> > > >Kind regards,
> > > >Richard
> > > >
> > > >Richard Harvey
> > > >EPOS Systems Manager
> > > >Exchequer Software Ltd
> > >
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