Walter O. wrote: "Lots of things can be two things at once. But they can't be two contradictory things, clearly." to which Eric Y. wrote: "I give these examples because it seems that 'reason' or 'logic' only concerns itself with half of existence. It is knowing without a knower. To privilege the so-called objective side of consciousness is to have the recipe for a Reuben sandwich without the taste of it. Or to describe the physiology and ideation of love without the experience of being in love." Doesn't Eric, in the above, perform Walter's observation? Doesn't Eric, by asserting the nature of 'reason' or 'logic' as being this and not that, instantiate the logical claim that a thing cannot be something and its opposite, in the same respect? Put differently, if Eric did not accept Walter's claim, he most likely would deny that there was any such thing as 'reason' or 'logic'. Instead, by trying to better define the two, he reinforces Walter's point. Living in a wonderland of contradictions, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html