Lawrence Helm wrote: "Gosh, Phil, that sounds like a perfect example of ambivalence to me." You are wrong. Apply that much vaunted logic to the difference between a nation and an individual. Lawrence: "A group of Catholics can be pacifistic, but the bulk of Catholics are not. Surely you know that, Phil." This merely shows how little you understand Catholicism. You might begin with the word 'magisterium'. Lawrence concludes: "Human nature equips us to defend ourselves. We have to be talked into pacifism and then when our pacifism is put to a serious test, it fails." Fascinating argument in the context of Christian belief. I am sure Lawrence is familiar with the Paul's account of the human condition that begins: "I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do." It is remarkable that Lawrence would make an argument regarding Christian belief that is based on what people do 'naturally'. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html