[lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:36:31 -0800
Ah, Phil. You need to practice a little of your vaunted pacifism. Out of a
man's mouth comes whatever is in his heart.
And it is absurd to criticism Logic. That accomplishes nothing. That some
of Lit-Ideas members engage in such criticism is a pitiful thing, i.e., as
in being a thing to be pitied, but perhaps nothing can be done about it.
And I've studied the matters we have been discussing albeit not recently.
Nevertheless, I made the statement that a majority of Christians were not
pacifistic. The fact that someone in the church demands that they be
doesn't change the fact that they are not.
Human nature is the given. There is no scripture countering it insofar as
self-defense is concerned. Human nature isn't something that needs to be
authenticated by scripture. Sinful nature is countermanded, but it is not
sinful to defend yourself.
Lawrence
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The de-islamization of Europe
Lawrence Helm wrote:
"Gosh, Phil, that sounds like a perfect example of ambivalence to me."
You are wrong. Apply that much vaunted logic to the difference between a
nation and an individual.
Lawrence:
"A group of Catholics can be pacifistic, but the bulk of Catholics are not.
Surely you know that, Phil."
This merely shows how little you understand Catholicism. You might begin
with the word 'magisterium'.
Lawrence concludes:
"Human nature equips us to defend ourselves. We have to be talked into
pacifism and then when our pacifism is put to a serious test, it fails."
Fascinating argument in the context of Christian belief. I am sure Lawrence
is familiar with the Paul's account of the human condition that begins:
"I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what
I hate I do."
It is remarkable that Lawrence would make an argument regarding Christian
belief that is based on what people do 'naturally'.
Sincerely,
Phil Enns
Glen Haven, NS
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