The term 'illusion' can use some illumination. 'Illusion' usually refers to experiences in which we perceive an actual object but perceive it inaccurately; for instance, we perceive a real ship on the horizon but it appears to us smaller than it is, or more distant than it is, or perhaps we are incorrect about its shape or color etc. 'Hallucination' refers to cases in which we actually perceive objects that are not there, and here it is possible to have a visual hallucination and still retain an awareness that the perceived 'object' is not real, and it is possible to believe that the perceived 'object' is real. (Both cases are known medically.) The latter stronger case might be characterized as a delusion, at least as a temporary delusion. Austin in Sense and Sensibilia makes the point about Ayer's loose usage of 'illusion' and 'delusion', frequently making it sound as if they were interchangeable. Well, just saying, I am not making any metaphysical points here, just trying to distinguish the terms. O.K. On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:46 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: There is much more in the last post by JLS than is addressed here: for example, we could detour into examining the so-called 'Argument from Illusion'. I have tried to indicate that there is much that commonsense gets generally right in this area - for example, the commonsense view that there is an 'internal world' (of experience) and an 'external world' (which is independent of experience and which has causal affects on the 'internal world'). No one with commonsense thinks that when they shut their eyes the "objects" that disappear from view in their 'internal world' of experience disappear from the 'external world' (nor is it a misuse to speak of "objects" in this way in order to make this point: it does not follow of course that the "object" as experienced in the 'internal world' is the same thing, for all purposes, as the "object" in the external world). Nor is it commonsense to think there is only my 'internal world' and nothing 'external' to which it pertains and which causally affects it. All of this important stuff commonsense gets right and there is no valid philosophical challenge to commonsense here. What happens is that in developing our theory of knowledge in commonsense terms we start to get into a mess: we might think all knowledge is derived from experience in some way, but then reflect that we only therefore have knowledge of what we experience - and therefore only knowledge of an 'internal world', for experience belongs in our 'internal world' not in any 'external world'. Soon our commonsense empiricism (our theory of knowledge) is rendering problematic whether there is any 'external world' as per our commonsense realism. It is notable that the main arguments against commonsense realism are not based on anything like a convincing argument that there is no distinction between an 'internal' and 'external' world, but on arguments derived from making a mess in our theory of knowledge. Popper's view is that this apparent clash between commonsense realism and a commonsense theory of knowledge is real and unresolvable: and the solution is to reject one or the other. In Popper's view, we should reject the commonsense theory of knowledge as mistaken while accepting commonsense realism as (largely) true (as far as it goes). This point is one of the major underlying themes of "The Self and Its Brain": and Popper wishes to show not only how the mind looks in the light of his epistemology but indicate how this epistemology dovetails with everything we know about the workings of the brain and other sense organs. In this model, what is important is not 'causal role' per se - for the processes are elaborate and multi-causal: what really matters is that the processes work in the way of 'trial-and-error'. We can have much more insightful discussion based on examining the details of this kind of model than speaking in terms of mere 'causal role'. Of course, we do not experience the vast 'trial-and-error' processes that are involved when we open our eyes and experience 'seeing an object': we neither experience the vast evolutionary 'trial-and-error' history that underpins the eye we inherit from our ancestors nor do we experience the complex, rapid 'trial-and-error' processes involved when that inherited eye (and its brain) springs into action when we raise our eyelid. But our models, including scientific models, can throw much surprising light on all these processes - much more light than we get by thinking about what it feels like when we experience 'seeing an object', as our experience is far from 'transparent' as to how it is formed. Our 'experience is not transparent as to 'causal roles' either, as these must be allocated in terms of detailed understanding of the relevant processes. Dnl Ldn On Wednesday, 5 February 2014, 14:00, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote: Wittgenstein showed the drawing to a student: "What do you see?" "A rabbit". "Well, it's a duck, you know." Strictly, what is seen is a _drawing_ of a duck (or rabbit), rather than a duck (or rabbit) itself. This is expanded by http://books.google.com/books?id=r5s27wymdh0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Wittgen stein+theory+of+perception&hl=it&sa=X&ei=WUHyUrnkM6HXygGjIQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA# v=onepage&q=Wittgenstein%20theory%20of%20perception&f=false C. Good, "Wittgenstein and the theory of perception", where Good expands on Grice's correct analysis of 'see': "I saw Elvis on television". This Good contrasts with: "I imagined Elvis on television" because a causal link can be postulated between Good's having seen Elvis Presley on television and Elvis Presley. Similarly, an editor of the Longman Dictionary, one argued against including as an entry for 'horse': horse: 1. a mammal. 2. representation of a horse, as in a painting. Still, it is not unfair to regard the Causal Theory of Perception as a version of Representationalism, but then, as Grice notes, 'represent' is a trick of a word (his favoured uses of 'represent' are cases as when we say that a cricket team 'represents' England in an international match). Good regrets that Grice does not spend enough time on sensory evidence and behavioural output as it relates to verbs like 'see', but Grice does. True, in 1961, these references are merely sketchy, but in "Method in philosophical psychology" (1975) he has attained the status of a Functionalist (alla D. K. Lewis) and he's more than ready to reformulate perceptual beliefs (as we may call them) in terms of both sensory input and behavioural output. His dismissing such an account in the earlier 1961 "Causal Theory" may thus be explained by his resistance to allow the last word to be the proponent of an 'ideal' or 'more scientific' language than the ordinary language that he finds himself articulating. The nuances he discovers and makes explicit go well beyond the rough generalisations of the type he was familiar with (and which were especially popular at Cambridge, where he is reading "Causal Theory") to the effect that meaning is use, which (as we can argue) is not. He therefore spends quite some time in proposing counterexamples to alleged ordinary-language specimens that would seem to refute the Causal Theory of Perception as it relies on more or less transparent (and 'immune' or 'incorrigible') sense-datum reports. McEvoy has been exploring Grice's (and others') references to 'material object' (that Grice symbolises as "M") having property "Phi" (or P) or 'possessing property P', as Grice prefers, and their references in causal accounts of verbs of perceiving such as 'see' and actual accounts of the phenomena involved. McEvoy distinguishes, properly, between the 'internal world' (I think his phrase is) of the perceiving subject and the alleged 'external world' (where "M" belongs). He prefers to rectify the causal theory of perception via an evolutionary account that rules out more fine-grained accounts of the causal process involved as redundant for survival (or not). In "The Causal Theory of Perception", Grice keeps mentioning the Sceptic, and it should be borne in mind that his account provides a reason for the sceptic's doubt. I'm less sure other versions of the causal theory do. Grice mentions in passing, too, http://www.hist-analytic.com/GRICE.pdf for which I provide further material in ps, the argument from illusion (i) and Moore's proof of an external world (ii). He rather concentrates on different types of implication that attach (or fail to attach) to sense-datum reports like "It looks to me as if there is a red tomato in the basket". Cheers, Speranza --- (i) The argument from illusion is an argument for the existence of sense-data. It is posed as a criticism of direct realism. Naturally occurring illusions best illustrate the argument's points, a notable example concerning a stick: I have a stick, which appears to me to be straight, but when I hold it underwater it seems to bend and distort. I know that the stick is straight and that its apparent flexibility is a result of its being seen through the water, yet I cannot change the mental image I have of the stick as being bent. Since the stick is not in fact bent its appearance can be described as an illusion. Rather than directly perceiving the stick, which would entail our seeing it as it truly is, we must instead perceive it indirectly, by way of an image or "sense-datum". This mental representation does not tell us anything about the stick's true properties, which remain inaccessible to us. With this being the case, however, how can we be said to be certain of the stick's initial straightness? If all we perceive is sense-data then the stick's apparent initial straightness is just as likely to be false as its half-submerged bent appearance. Therefore, the argument runs, we can never gain any knowledge about the stick, as we only ever perceive a sense-datum, and not the stick itself. This argument was defended by A. J. Ayer. A critical argument would be as follows: Because the stick provides a contrasting surface in the surrounding water, the bent appearance of the stick is evidence of the previously unaccounted for physical properties of the water. It would be a mistake to categorize an optical effect resulting from a physical cause as sensory fallibility because it results from an increase in information from another previously unaccounted for object or physical property. Unless the water is not taken into consideration, the example in fact reinforces the reliability of our visual sense to gather information accurately. This criticism, which was most strongly voiced by J.L. Austin, is that perceptual variation which can be attributed to physical causes does not entail a representational disconnect between sense and reference, owing to an unreasonable segregation of parts from the perceived object. Further arguments are based on the extended mind theory, which appeals to external sources of mental items. For example, the theory holds that perception is the result of a complex interaction of mind, body and the environment. This would rule out internal items such as sense data as referred to in the statement of the argument. (ii) Here is one hand is a philosophical argument created by George Edward Moore against philosophical skepticism and in support of common sense. The argument takes the form: Here is one hand, And here is another. There are at least two external objects in the world. Therefore an external world exists. G. E. Moore (1873—1958) wrote A Defence of Common Sense and Proof of an External World. He posed skeptical hypotheses, such as "you may be dreaming" or "the world is 5 minutes old", creating a situation where it is not possible to know that anything in the world exists. These hypotheses take the following form: The skeptical argument: Where S is a subject, sp is a skeptical possibility, such as the brain in a vat hypothesis, and q is a knowledge claim about the world: If S doesn't know that not-sp, then S doesn't know that q; S doesn't know that not-sp; Therefore, S doesn't know that q. Moore's response: If S doesn't know that not-sp, then S doesn't know that q; S knows that q; Therefore, S knows that not-sp. Moore does not attack the skeptical premise; instead, he reverses the argument from being in the form of modus ponens to modus tollens. This logical maneuver is often called a G. E. Moore shift or a Moorean shift. Moore famously put the point into dramatic relief with his 1939 essay Proof of an External World, in which he gave a common sense argument against skepticism by raising his right hand and saying "here is one hand," and then raising his left and saying "and here is another". Here, Moore is taking his knowledge claim (q) to be that he has two hands, and without rejecting the skeptic's premise, proves that we can know the skeptical possibility (sp) to be not true. Moore's argument is not simply a flippant response to the skeptic. Moore gives in Proof of an External World, three requirements for a good proof. (1) the premises must be different from the conclusion, (2) the premises must be demonstrated, and (3) the conclusion must follow from the premises. He claims that his proof of an external world meets those three criteria. In his 1925 essay A Defence of Common Sense he argued against idealism and skepticism toward the external world on the grounds that they could not give reasons to accept their metaphysical premises that were more plausible than the reasons we have to accept the common sense claims about our knowledge of the world that skeptics and idealists must deny. In other words, he is more willing to believe that he has a hand than believe the premises of a strange argument in a university classroom. "I do not think it is rational to be as certain of any one of these ... propositions". Not surprisingly, those inclined to skeptical doubts often found Moore's method of argument not entirely convincing. Moore, however, defends his argument on the surprisingly simple grounds that skeptical arguments seem invariably to require an appeal to "philosophical intuitions" that we have considerably less reason to accept than we have for the common sense claims that they supposedly refute. The skeptical argument takes the form of modus ponens: If A then B; A; Therefore B. Moore's argument flips the modus ponens structure into a modus tollens: If A then B; Not B; Therefore not A. This illustrates Fred Dretske's aphorism that "[o]ne man's modus ponens is another man's modus tollens". Appeals of this type are subsequently often called "Moorean facts". "A Moorean fact [is] one of those things that we know better than we know the premises of any philosophical argument to the contrary" The "here is one hand" idea, in addition to fueling Moore's own work, deeply influenced Ludwig Wittgenstein, whose last writings were devoted to a new approach to Moore's argument. These remarks were published posthumously as On Certainty. See also: Samuel Johnson, to whom is attributed the act of hitting a rock with his foot as a "refutation" of immaterialism. References: G. E. Moore," Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy; Keith DeRose, Responding to Skepticism; Dretske, F. (1995), Naturalizing the Mind, Cambridge, Mass.: The MIT Press. Kelly, Thomas. "Moorean Facts and Belief Revision, or Can the Skeptic Win?". Princeton University. 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