It's not extraordinary a win, sorry, though it is advantageous to Arsenal so I must here be glad of a Chelsea victory. Chelsea's winning the European Championship was fairly extraordinary given how badly they played - like Greece winning the equivalent for nations. But few in any football ground would dispute that, when they see the pitch, this is an 'internal' experience of an 'external' "object": that if they shut their eyes, in their 'internal' experience the pitch disappears from view but the pitch as 'external' "object" does not disappear from the 'external world'; that the pitch as external "object" is a cause of its perception when their eyes are open [floodlights might be another cause, that their eyes are open might be another cause]; and none of this is misuse or abuse of language. "Skill on the ball is the same in any language" - Pele. "Cruyff speaks five languages fluently, but football is his mother tongue." -Beckenbauer Dnl On Tuesday, 4 February 2014, 17:59, David Ritchie <profdritchie@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: On Feb 4, 2014, at 3:55 AM, cblists@xxxxxxxx wrote: An exercise for the reader - choose the quotation from Wittgenstein most appropriate to recent discussion on this list. > > I can't offer anything useful, but I can call your attention to how Chelsea managed to beat Man City at City's home ground, an extraordinary win. Mourinho is Chelsea's coach. Mourinho also revealed the final words of inspiration to his team before they took to the field at Etihad Stadium came from masseur Billy McCulloch rather than the manager himself. "He was screaming at them in Scottish. I didn't understand a word," said Mourinho. "The players were clapping so I thought 'OK, that's good'. I'm serious." David Ritchie, not screaming in Portland, Oregon