[lit-ideas] Re: Relapsed Already
- From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:06:43 -0700
I can only bark up the tree you guys point me toward. This sounds like
some of the stuff that is being addressed in the new legislation Bush talked
about in his last couple of speeches. . . You all heard those speeches,
didn't you? The President believed he had authority to determine the
level of treatment used in questioning terrorist suspects. Previous
presidents had that sort of latitude, but a judge not using US precedent but
instead the Geneva Convention said he didn't have that authority but instead
a vague Geneva Convention requirement applied. So Bush is doing two things.
He is appealing the Judges decision and he is attempting to get legislation
through congress defining the latitude the CIA has in interrogating
terrorist suspects.
Lawrence
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On Behalf Of Simon Ward
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 1:53 PM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Relapsed Already
This is an AP story.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4944094/
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119463,00.html
And Robert got there before me...
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence <mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 9:42 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Relapsed Already
Sorry, I don't trust the NY Times. Where are the references? Who said
this? "U.S. officers"? Who are they? What did they say? What is the
evidence? Or at the other end, who in the Red Cross got this information?
How reliable was it? Etc etc.
Lawrence
-----Original Message-----
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Ursula Stange
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 12:53 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Relapsed Already
"70 to 90 percent of the Iraq detentions in 2003 were ''mistakes,'' U.S.
officers once told the international Red Cross." (NYTimes)
...and this is your response? Lawrence, these people have sons and
daughters and mothers and fathers just like you and your friends and
nieghbours. Do they 'not bleed' in your weltanschauung?
Ursula
Lawrence Helm wrote:
> Mike, I suspect you are worried that Bush might come after you for
> Bush-bashing. Setting aside the question of whether he /ought /to come
> after you, I don't think he will. I think those innocent detainees
> have stories similar to the following:
>
> 1. No, I didn't even know it was a stinger missile. Ahmed just
> asked me to hold it while he went behind a sand dune to take a leak.
> 2. Honest, my wife is a real tiger and she saw this magazine, see,
> with this great big lawn, and do you have any idea how much
> liquid fertilizer it takes to grow a lawn on sand?
> 3. Yeah, maybe it sounded a little like I was plotting to blow up
> some tunnels, but I was just mad, see, cause I was asking my
> cousin Nasser directions and he was teasing me, see, just
> pretending stuff. I was /never /going to blow anything up. I
> don't even know how to blow anything up. Ask my cousin.
> 4. Well my donkey wandered off, see, and I was looking for him, and
> the next thing I know some rockets are exploding all around me,
> see; so I ran into this cave. I mean I thought I was going to
> get killed, and there was this cave right there so I ran in.
> What's wrong with that? And there were these guys already in
> there, but I didn't know them and they didn't know me. Now you
> tell me this was an Al Quaeda cave and they were Al Quaeda
> members, but I didn't know anything about that. I swear. I was
> just looking for my donkey.
>
> Do you know where your donkey is?
>
> Lawrence
>
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