[lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling

  • From: Steve Cameron <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 08:29:46 -0500

**My perspective would be to "insist" that a vast difference exists between
"interesting" and "intelligent".

TC,

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Well, I don't know if I would insist on 'intelligent' but there are some
> interesting things there.
>
> O.K.
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Steve Cameron <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> **Those terms are mutually exclusive.
>>
>> TC,
>>
>> /Steve Cameron
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you want to read an intelligent anti-Semite try Eustace Mullins, the
>>> Secret History of the Jews.
>>>
>>> O.K.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Correct, (directed at Omar Kusturica) the premises are false, I try
>>>> occasionally to accept that even false shit, like Heidegger’s utter
>>>> bullshit, can be adopted “for the sake of a discussion”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bestest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Omar Kusturica
>>>> *Sent:* 12 February 2015 12:13
>>>> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://
>>>> www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, I am not sure why this is posted as something worthy of
>>>> attention, but since it is...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. The Jews in the early 20. century did not have a 'land', at least
>>>> not in the sense of nation-state, but they had a tradition. That tradition
>>>> makes claims about their history that are probably largely false - for
>>>> example, extensive archaelogical excavations at Jerusalem have failed to
>>>> turn up the supposed city of David and Solomon - but tradition they had.
>>>> They also had several languages of their own.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2. Genetical studies of Ashkenazi Jews have shown a fair amount of
>>>> genetic uniformity among them, probably not less than most modern nations
>>>> have.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Until relatively recent times, the Jews were not particularly
>>>> technologically advanced. The most technologically advanced civilization on
>>>> the Earth until the 17th century (if not later) was China, which didn't
>>>> have too many Jews.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 4. The Jews in late medieval Europe onward were connected with banking,
>>>> but this wasn't so much for reasons of culture or lack of it. The main
>>>> reason is that they were barred from possessing land in most medieval
>>>> European states (excepting Poland where they engaged in agricultural
>>>> occupations) and often also from artisan occupations (by the guilds; in
>>>> Ottoman empire, they worked as artisans).True, it helped that the Jewish
>>>> religion did not prohibit usury while medieval Christianity attempted to
>>>> prohibit it, although the Catholic Venice, Florence, and Genoa had bankers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thus, Heigger's premises are largely false, although even if they were
>>>> true this would not in any way warrant the conclusion.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> O.K.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtml
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The link (above this line) was provided to me by colleagues. It gives
>>>> the article, in the English version, detailing how the self styled
>>>> philosopher of “being” and authetincity was starkly anti-Semitic. What is
>>>> interesting about the issue is not that yet another Nazi semi criminal is
>>>> exposed, after a century from the fact, nearly a century. What is
>>>> interesting is that this “Heidegger” has an argument. It goes as follows:
>>>> to be able to reach ‘being’ [don’t ask why anyone should reach a verb or be
>>>> exposed to a verb etc.] one needs a specified grounding.
>>>>
>>>> Step 1 the grounding is given by the Blut und Boden, the land, the
>>>> tradition, even more weirdly by a “language” (he calls language something
>>>> like his idiolect of Germanic descent, Greek is a language, nobody knows
>>>> why but Mongolian does not qualify, nor it can be a vehicle of thought
>>>> since thought is reserved for the master race)
>>>>
>>>> Step 2: the jews have no such thing (well, at that time there was no
>>>> Eretz Israel as nation-state in the tradition of political philosophy,
>>>> there were 5 jewish languages, the religious jews always claimed that they
>>>> had a land, it was given to them by GD etc. cfr Abraham in the “bible” and
>>>> so forth, but skip, the idea that there is a truth escapes the buffoon in
>>>> lederhosen since “truth” is revealed in the wood, “aletheia” and all of
>>>> that)
>>>>
>>>> Step3 since the jews have no tradition in the relevant sense, they “do”
>>>> techniques (of dentistry, banking, some even films and music, not to
>>>> mention chemistry and physics)
>>>>
>>>> Step 4 the duder “knows” in his perverted brain that “technique” is not
>>>> a technique, it is a Gestell “ a systemic state of mind”
>>>>
>>>> Step 5 MH concludes glibly that “Technkik” killed the jews (Zyklon,
>>>> machine guns, showers that boil people to death, etc.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Step 6 and, then it is clear that “jews self-annihilated
>>>>
>>>> Honest colleagues that do not suffer the bizarre condition of
>>>> “transfert” (term adopted by Miller, French psychoanalyst who describe the
>>>> interest and fascination with MH as sexual in nature, in the form in which
>>>> S. Freud predicted) are invited to look at vol 97 of the “works” by this
>>>> Heidegger, available as of today.
>>>>
>>>> The author of the, linked, article, is a philosopher in Rome at
>>>> “Sapienza” (roughly “wisdom” the name of the university of Rome—
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bestest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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