[lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:25:02 +0100

I've already said that he was an anti-semite, so that is not in dispute.
Having been an anti-semite, he might well have known other anti-semites
too. That said, the theory that economic crises might have something to do
with international banking interests doesn't strike me as a peculiarly wild
or improbable one.

O.K.

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Lawrence Helm <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> And of course Mullins was apparently a good friend to Ezra Pound:
>
>
>
> *[from Wikipedia] In the late 1940s, when the poet Ezra Pound was
> incarcerated in St. Elizabeth’s Hospital on treason charges against the US,
> he corresponded with Mullins. In their correspondence, Mullins exclaimed
> "THE JEWS ARE BETRAYING US", in a letter written on Aryan League of America
> stationery. The two became friends and Mullins often visited the poet while
> he was detained.[16] In his "Foreword" to The Secrets of the Federal
> Reserve Mullins explains the circumstances by which he came to write his
> investigation into the origins of the Federal Reserve System: "In 1949,
> while I was visiting Ezra Pound ... [he] asked me if I had ever heard of
> the Federal Reserve System. I replied that I had not, as of the age of 25.
> He then showed me a ten dollar bill marked "Federal Reserve Note" and asked
> me if I would do some research at the Library of Congress on the Federal
> Reserve System which had issued this bill."[16]*
>
>
>
> *“Mullins told Pound that he had little interest in such a research
> project because he was working on a novel. "My initial research" wrote
> Mullins, "revealed evidence of an international banking group which had
> secretly planned the writing of the Federal Reserve Act and Congress’
> enactment of the plan into law. These findings confirmed what Pound had
> long suspected. He said, "You must work on it as a detective story."[16]*
>
>
>
> *“Mullins completed the manuscript during the course of 1950 when he began
> to seek a publisher. Eighteen publishers turned the book down without
> comment before the President of the Devin-Adair Publishing Company, Devin
> Garrett, told him, "I like your book but we can't print it...Neither can
> anybody else in New York. You may as well forget about getting the [...]
> book published."[16]*
>
>
>
> *“Eventually the book was published by two other men who visited Pound
> during that period, John Kasper and David Horton, under the title Mullins
> on the Federal Reserve.*
>
>
>
> *“In Mullins on the Federal Reserve (1952), (the updated edition published
> in 1983 was called Secrets of the Federal Reserve) Mullins argued that
> there was a conspiracy among Paul Warburg, Edward Mandell House, Woodrow
> Wilson, J.P. Morgan, Benjamin Strong, Otto Kahn, the Rockefeller family,
> the Rothschild family, and other European and American bankers which
> resulted in the founding of the U.S. Federal Reserve System. He argued that
> the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 defies Article 1, Section 8, Paragraph 5 of
> the United States Constitution by creating a "central bank of issue" for
> the United States. Mullins went on to claim that World War I, the
> Agricultural Depression of 1920, the Great Depression of 1929 were brought
> about by international banking interests in order to profit from conflict
> and economic instability. Mullins also cited Thomas Jefferson's staunch
> opposition to the establishment of a central bank in the United States.”*
>
>
>
> Ezra Pound has been an ongoing puzzle to me.  He influenced a number of
> poets during his era, but he strikes me as the poetic equivalent of
> Heidegger.  His writing is so difficult and obfuscated that any critic who
> masters it is proud of his achievement and unwilling to denounce it as
> being of poor quality.  Pound’s economic theories as discussed in the
> biographies I’ve read were considered a sign of his advancing madness.
>
>
>
> As to the Jews, I was once in a [Christian] Bible Study attended by a Jew
> named Al who complained that with the ongoing belief in Jews capturing the
> wealth of the world and being secretly influential, why could he never cash
> in on that (apparently he would have if he could have)?  He didn’t have any
> relatives who were rich or powerful.  He himself worked in the produce
> department of a supermarket.  It was a great mystery to him.
>
>
>
> Lawrence
>
>
>
> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Omar Kusturica
> *Sent:* Friday, February 13, 2015 1:13 AM
>
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://
> www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling
>
>
>
> If you want to read an intelligent anti-Semite try Eustace Mullins, the
> Secret History of the Jews.
>
>
>
> O.K.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Correct, (directed at Omar Kusturica) the premises are false, I try
> occasionally to accept that even false shit, like Heidegger’s utter
> bullshit, can be adopted “for the sake of a discussion”
>
>
>
> Bestest
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Omar Kusturica
> *Sent:* 12 February 2015 12:13
> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://
> www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling
>
>
>
> Well, I am not sure why this is posted as something worthy of attention,
> but since it is...
>
>
>
> 1. The Jews in the early 20. century did not have a 'land', at least not
> in the sense of nation-state, but they had a tradition. That tradition
> makes claims about their history that are probably largely false - for
> example, extensive archaelogical excavations at Jerusalem have failed to
> turn up the supposed city of David and Solomon - but tradition they had.
> They also had several languages of their own.
>
>
>
> 2. Genetical studies of Ashkenazi Jews have shown a fair amount of genetic
> uniformity among them, probably not less than most modern nations have.
>
>
>
> 3. Until relatively recent times, the Jews were not particularly
> technologically advanced. The most technologically advanced civilization on
> the Earth until the 17th century (if not later) was China, which didn't
> have too many Jews.
>
>
>
> 4. The Jews in late medieval Europe onward were connected with banking,
> but this wasn't so much for reasons of culture or lack of it. The main
> reason is that they were barred from possessing land in most medieval
> European states (excepting Poland where they engaged in agricultural
> occupations) and often also from artisan occupations (by the guilds; in
> Ottoman empire, they worked as artisans).True, it helped that the Jewish
> religion did not prohibit usury while medieval Christianity attempted to
> prohibit it, although the Catholic Venice, Florence, and Genoa had bankers.
>
>
>
> Thus, Heigger's premises are largely false, although even if they were
> true this would not in any way warrant the conclusion.
>
>
>
> O.K.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtml
>
>
>
> The link (above this line) was provided to me by colleagues. It gives the
> article, in the English version, detailing how the self styled philosopher
> of “being” and authetincity was starkly anti-Semitic. What is interesting
> about the issue is not that yet another Nazi semi criminal is exposed,
> after a century from the fact, nearly a century. What is interesting is
> that this “Heidegger” has an argument. It goes as follows: to be able to
> reach ‘being’ [don’t ask why anyone should reach a verb or be exposed to a
> verb etc.] one needs a specified grounding.
>
> Step 1 the grounding is given by the Blut und Boden, the land, the
> tradition, even more weirdly by a “language” (he calls language something
> like his idiolect of Germanic descent, Greek is a language, nobody knows
> why but Mongolian does not qualify, nor it can be a vehicle of thought
> since thought is reserved for the master race)
>
> Step 2: the jews have no such thing (well, at that time there was no Eretz
> Israel as nation-state in the tradition of political philosophy, there were
> 5 jewish languages, the religious jews always claimed that they had a land,
> it was given to them by GD etc. cfr Abraham in the “bible” and so forth,
> but skip, the idea that there is a truth escapes the buffoon in lederhosen
> since “truth” is revealed in the wood, “aletheia” and all of that)
>
> Step3 since the jews have no tradition in the relevant sense, they “do”
> techniques (of dentistry, banking, some even films and music, not to
> mention chemistry and physics)
>
> Step 4 the duder “knows” in his perverted brain that “technique” is not a
> technique, it is a Gestell “ a systemic state of mind”
>
> Step 5 MH concludes glibly that “Technkik” killed the jews (Zyklon,
> machine guns, showers that boil people to death, etc.)
>
>
>
> Step 6 and, then it is clear that “jews self-annihilated
>
> Honest colleagues that do not suffer the bizarre condition of “transfert”
> (term adopted by Miller, French psychoanalyst who describe the interest and
> fascination with MH as sexual in nature, in the form in which S. Freud
> predicted) are invited to look at vol 97 of the “works” by this Heidegger,
> available as of today.
>
> The author of the, linked, article, is a philosopher in Rome at “Sapienza”
> (roughly “wisdom” the name of the university of Rome—
>
>
>
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>
> bestest
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