[lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 14:23:46 +0100

Well, I don't know if I would insist on 'intelligent' but there are some
interesting things there.

O.K.

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Steve Cameron <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

> **Those terms are mutually exclusive.
>
> TC,
>
> /Steve Cameron
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>> If you want to read an intelligent anti-Semite try Eustace Mullins, the
>> Secret History of the Jews.
>>
>> O.K.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>  Correct, (directed at Omar Kusturica) the premises are false, I try
>>> occasionally to accept that even false shit, like Heidegger’s utter
>>> bullshit, can be adopted “for the sake of a discussion”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bestest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Omar Kusturica
>>> *Sent:* 12 February 2015 12:13
>>> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://
>>> www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I am not sure why this is posted as something worthy of attention,
>>> but since it is...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. The Jews in the early 20. century did not have a 'land', at least not
>>> in the sense of nation-state, but they had a tradition. That tradition
>>> makes claims about their history that are probably largely false - for
>>> example, extensive archaelogical excavations at Jerusalem have failed to
>>> turn up the supposed city of David and Solomon - but tradition they had.
>>> They also had several languages of their own.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. Genetical studies of Ashkenazi Jews have shown a fair amount of
>>> genetic uniformity among them, probably not less than most modern nations
>>> have.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 3. Until relatively recent times, the Jews were not particularly
>>> technologically advanced. The most technologically advanced civilization on
>>> the Earth until the 17th century (if not later) was China, which didn't
>>> have too many Jews.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 4. The Jews in late medieval Europe onward were connected with banking,
>>> but this wasn't so much for reasons of culture or lack of it. The main
>>> reason is that they were barred from possessing land in most medieval
>>> European states (excepting Poland where they engaged in agricultural
>>> occupations) and often also from artisan occupations (by the guilds; in
>>> Ottoman empire, they worked as artisans).True, it helped that the Jewish
>>> religion did not prohibit usury while medieval Christianity attempted to
>>> prohibit it, although the Catholic Venice, Florence, and Genoa had bankers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thus, Heigger's premises are largely false, although even if they were
>>> true this would not in any way warrant the conclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> O.K.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtml
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The link (above this line) was provided to me by colleagues. It gives
>>> the article, in the English version, detailing how the self styled
>>> philosopher of “being” and authetincity was starkly anti-Semitic. What is
>>> interesting about the issue is not that yet another Nazi semi criminal is
>>> exposed, after a century from the fact, nearly a century. What is
>>> interesting is that this “Heidegger” has an argument. It goes as follows:
>>> to be able to reach ‘being’ [don’t ask why anyone should reach a verb or be
>>> exposed to a verb etc.] one needs a specified grounding.
>>>
>>> Step 1 the grounding is given by the Blut und Boden, the land, the
>>> tradition, even more weirdly by a “language” (he calls language something
>>> like his idiolect of Germanic descent, Greek is a language, nobody knows
>>> why but Mongolian does not qualify, nor it can be a vehicle of thought
>>> since thought is reserved for the master race)
>>>
>>> Step 2: the jews have no such thing (well, at that time there was no
>>> Eretz Israel as nation-state in the tradition of political philosophy,
>>> there were 5 jewish languages, the religious jews always claimed that they
>>> had a land, it was given to them by GD etc. cfr Abraham in the “bible” and
>>> so forth, but skip, the idea that there is a truth escapes the buffoon in
>>> lederhosen since “truth” is revealed in the wood, “aletheia” and all of
>>> that)
>>>
>>> Step3 since the jews have no tradition in the relevant sense, they “do”
>>> techniques (of dentistry, banking, some even films and music, not to
>>> mention chemistry and physics)
>>>
>>> Step 4 the duder “knows” in his perverted brain that “technique” is not
>>> a technique, it is a Gestell “ a systemic state of mind”
>>>
>>> Step 5 MH concludes glibly that “Technkik” killed the jews (Zyklon,
>>> machine guns, showers that boil people to death, etc.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Step 6 and, then it is clear that “jews self-annihilated
>>>
>>> Honest colleagues that do not suffer the bizarre condition of
>>> “transfert” (term adopted by Miller, French psychoanalyst who describe the
>>> interest and fascination with MH as sexual in nature, in the form in which
>>> S. Freud predicted) are invited to look at vol 97 of the “works” by this
>>> Heidegger, available as of today.
>>>
>>> The author of the, linked, article, is a philosopher in Rome at
>>> “Sapienza” (roughly “wisdom” the name of the university of Rome—
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bestest
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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