[lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling

  • From: Steve Cameron <stevecam@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 05:12:45 -0500

**Those terms are mutually exclusive.

TC,

/Steve Cameron

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 4:13 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> If you want to read an intelligent anti-Semite try Eustace Mullins, the
> Secret History of the Jews.
>
> O.K.
>
> On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>  Correct, (directed at Omar Kusturica) the premises are false, I try
>> occasionally to accept that even false shit, like Heidegger’s utter
>> bullshit, can be adopted “for the sake of a discussion”
>>
>>
>>
>> Bestest
>>
>>
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>>
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>> *From:* lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>> lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Omar Kusturica
>> *Sent:* 12 February 2015 12:13
>> *To:* lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> *Subject:* [lit-ideas] Re: MH, with updated linkhttp://
>> www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtmling
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I am not sure why this is posted as something worthy of attention,
>> but since it is...
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. The Jews in the early 20. century did not have a 'land', at least not
>> in the sense of nation-state, but they had a tradition. That tradition
>> makes claims about their history that are probably largely false - for
>> example, extensive archaelogical excavations at Jerusalem have failed to
>> turn up the supposed city of David and Solomon - but tradition they had.
>> They also had several languages of their own.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2. Genetical studies of Ashkenazi Jews have shown a fair amount of
>> genetic uniformity among them, probably not less than most modern nations
>> have.
>>
>>
>>
>> 3. Until relatively recent times, the Jews were not particularly
>> technologically advanced. The most technologically advanced civilization on
>> the Earth until the 17th century (if not later) was China, which didn't
>> have too many Jews.
>>
>>
>>
>> 4. The Jews in late medieval Europe onward were connected with banking,
>> but this wasn't so much for reasons of culture or lack of it. The main
>> reason is that they were barred from possessing land in most medieval
>> European states (excepting Poland where they engaged in agricultural
>> occupations) and often also from artisan occupations (by the guilds; in
>> Ottoman empire, they worked as artisans).True, it helped that the Jewish
>> religion did not prohibit usury while medieval Christianity attempted to
>> prohibit it, although the Catholic Venice, Florence, and Genoa had bankers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thus, Heigger's premises are largely false, although even if they were
>> true this would not in any way warrant the conclusion.
>>
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>>
>> O.K.
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>> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Adriano Palma <Palma@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>> The link (above this line) was provided to me by colleagues. It gives the
>> article, in the English version, detailing how the self styled philosopher
>> of “being” and authetincity was starkly anti-Semitic. What is interesting
>> about the issue is not that yet another Nazi semi criminal is exposed,
>> after a century from the fact, nearly a century. What is interesting is
>> that this “Heidegger” has an argument. It goes as follows: to be able to
>> reach ‘being’ [don’t ask why anyone should reach a verb or be exposed to a
>> verb etc.] one needs a specified grounding.
>>
>> Step 1 the grounding is given by the Blut und Boden, the land, the
>> tradition, even more weirdly by a “language” (he calls language something
>> like his idiolect of Germanic descent, Greek is a language, nobody knows
>> why but Mongolian does not qualify, nor it can be a vehicle of thought
>> since thought is reserved for the master race)
>>
>> Step 2: the jews have no such thing (well, at that time there was no
>> Eretz Israel as nation-state in the tradition of political philosophy,
>> there were 5 jewish languages, the religious jews always claimed that they
>> had a land, it was given to them by GD etc. cfr Abraham in the “bible” and
>> so forth, but skip, the idea that there is a truth escapes the buffoon in
>> lederhosen since “truth” is revealed in the wood, “aletheia” and all of
>> that)
>>
>> Step3 since the jews have no tradition in the relevant sense, they “do”
>> techniques (of dentistry, banking, some even films and music, not to
>> mention chemistry and physics)
>>
>> Step 4 the duder “knows” in his perverted brain that “technique” is not a
>> technique, it is a Gestell “ a systemic state of mind”
>>
>> Step 5 MH concludes glibly that “Technkik” killed the jews (Zyklon,
>> machine guns, showers that boil people to death, etc.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Step 6 and, then it is clear that “jews self-annihilated
>>
>> Honest colleagues that do not suffer the bizarre condition of “transfert”
>> (term adopted by Miller, French psychoanalyst who describe the interest and
>> fascination with MH as sexual in nature, in the form in which S. Freud
>> predicted) are invited to look at vol 97 of the “works” by this Heidegger,
>> available as of today.
>>
>> The author of the, linked, article, is a philosopher in Rome at
>> “Sapienza” (roughly “wisdom” the name of the university of Rome—
>>
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>> bestest
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