30% may sound a lot but it isn't. If the aircraft stalls at 50kts then the approach at 50 x 1.3 = 65kts isn't that much higher. For a start it's a reasonable speed to provide stable flying. An aircraft near the stall is awfully mushy (if it's a good design) and a bad aircraft can stall one wing without a hint of warning and have you vertical in less than a second. You can't afford to stall on the approach. A good margin also allows safe transit through turbulence or mild wind shear. 15kts is reasonable in bumpy winds near the ground where you can easily see a 10kt fluctuation in rough air. On really rough days it isn't uncommon to hear the stall horn bleating a few times on approach. If ailerons are used too severely near the stall it can precipitate one. The downgoing aileron actually increases the AoA of that wing and you can instantly stall a wing by aggressive aileron use at slow speed. This is bad news because only one wing stalls - the rising aileron on the other side has reduced AoA of that wing - and it's a prime condition for flicking into a spin. As you come over the runway you flare to reduce rate of descent. What you are actually doing is increasing AoA to provide extra lift and an increasing AoA produces drag as well as lift. So, from the point you start pulling the stick back drag will rise and speed will start to decay. This is why you get into trouble quickly if you pull the stick back just a tad too much and balloon - speed drops off rapidly and you can easily stall whilst still 5 feet off the ground. Only a hefty bootful of power can recover this situation - the worst thing you can do is push the nose forward. bones -----Original Message----- From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of FrankTurley@xxxxxxx Sent: 08 September 2007 09:20 To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb] Re: Pireps In a message dated 08/09/2007 05:52:14 GMT Daylight Time, bones@xxxxxxx writes: Approach speed is 1.3 x Stall Bones, Why a 30% margin? I can understand why the increased margin when in gusty conditions, but this seems a lot to bleed off when landing. Or is there a slowing down phase between approach and landing? Frank T.