[guispeak] Re: here's the missing post...
- From: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 16:40:43 -0500
I'm one of those fortunate people who happen to have access to three
computers. They range from an 6 year old pc to a right new 2.4ghz pc the 6
year old is a pII 350mhz system running xp pro sp2 and has 128mb ram so if
they tell you it can't be done, send 'em to me. The inbetweens are a
toshiba satelite 2400s201 with 384mb ram running at 1.6ghz I believe a pii.
and a mac powerbook g4 which I dearly love even though it is only running at
667mhz it still out poerforms my toshiba 1.6.
I fight on behalf of underfunded people and institutions who battle every
day just to keep what they have had for the past several years working much
less affording to upgrade if you want to call it that them. Yeah, the
further we go the more "hooks" there and it kind of makes me wonder why we
are loosing the accessibility fight, but that is another story entirely I
guess but take the example of microsoft windows media player 10. 9 was
perfectly find and then they had to come out with 10 while not inaccessible
is a step down from what 9 was. Every time a new version of office comes
out, it has to be tweeked for before we can use it and every time a new os
comes out, we need a new screen reader to cope with it and I hope that it
will be as easy with the next new os as it was with the last which was still
quite a bear. Access? Let's see, can I read a document in print preview
yet? What if I decide I want that pretty blue theme on my desktop woops,
there goes my screen reader dead in the watter. What about changing the
font size so I can see it better or the contrast? Sorry, no screen reader.
I can point out a lot about the os that we don't have access to and haven't
had for a long time and yet, we are making strides?
Johnnie Apple Seed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Eaves" <leaves1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "guispeak" <guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 4:29 PM
Subject: [guispeak] here's the missing post...
Hi Dave and all -- here is the post that never came back to me. Not that it
is such an important and earth-shattering post, but I do want my posts to
get through...
Anyway, here it is:
Hi Dave --
Well that's true to an extent, if there are several choices of something
available to the general public, but only the most expensive is accessible
to blind. (I ran into this even with something as unrelated as a sewing
machine -- the only accessible one was top-of-the-line, which my Mom bought,
but I felt awful having her pay that much.)
But on the other hand, you are not talking about driving a cadillac -- you
are talking about driving a horse-drawn carriage (win95) which almost no one
uses any more, and the currently available operating systems are all so much
more accessible, or have so many more hooks to work with screen reaaders,
that upgrading is really not only wise, but will soon become essential.
Now I was a bit annoyed at having to buy a gsm cell phone with all kinds of
features I didn't need, in order to have the menus speak. But I encourage
software companies to develop such accessible software, even if I have to
spend a little to be a guinea pig.
Now that I've had a job -- at least long enough to have a little money to
spend experimenting on such things, I really have enjoyed getting involved
in the troubleshooting, and if it eventually filters down to the less
expensive phones and systems, all the better.
(But it was really a very overpriced phone!<frown>)
Take care, and try copying your data and upgrading your operating system.
Take care!
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "david poehlman" <
david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:38 PM
Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
> It is a fact that 70 percent of blind people are unemployed or at least
> under employed so Accessibility includes a multiplicity of things in this
> instance, such as:
> Can I access it with my ancient computer? Can I aford to get on the
> internet to access it? Can I access it without a sound card and get
> benefit
> out of it? I'm afraid that w eneed to think hard when we say that
> something
> is accessible. Saying that asking too much is offputting is doging the
> issue. There are degrees of accessibility so if you announce something,
> it
> is best o say that there is this thang a happenin' and if ya wanna partake
> of it, ya gotta be able to drive a cadelak.
>
> Johnnie Apple Seed
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <
nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:26 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> But that's simply a matter of meeting the application's system
> requirements.
> Certainly, from a blindness or even a disabilities point of view, this has
> nothing to do with the application's accessibility. All that concerns me
> is, well, can I use the application as a person with a disability, so long
> as I otherwise can meet the mainstream system requirements? By bringing
> in
> other things that aren't directly relevant to accessibility for users with
> disabilities, we run the risk of turning mainstream developers off our
> pleas
> for greater accessibility for our needs. Let's only ask for what's
> absolutely required.
>
> Besides, Windows 95 is very old now... Time for folks to upgrade.
>
>
>
> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
> A+, CCNA, Network+!
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http://ld.net/?nu7i
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All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Will Pearson" <
will-pearson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 12:16 PM
> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>
>
>> Hi;
>>
>> It is an accessibility issue in the pure sense of accessibility.
>> Accessibility is a measure of whether someone can do something, and this
>> regards whether the application in question can be accessed by those
>> running
>> operating systems that the application did not target during it's SDLC.
>>
>> Will
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Darrell Shandrow" <
nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:09 PM
>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>
>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Probably not, but that is an OS compatibility issue, not one of
>>> accessibility. We need to keep these issues well separated.
>>>
>>> Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>>> Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>>> A+, CCNA, Network+!
>>> Check out high quality telecommunications services at
>>>
http://ld.net/?nu7i
>>>
All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "david poehlman" <
david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:25 AM
>>> Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>>
>>>
>>> > can I use windows.95?
>>> >
>>> > Johnnie Apple Seed
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Darrell Shandrow" <
nu7i@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 1:19 PM
>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi David,
>>> >
>>> > Looks reasonably accessible. What's wrong with it?
>>> >
>>> > Darrell Shandrow - Shandrow Communications!
>>> > Technology consultant/instructor, network/systems administrator!
>>> > A+, CCNA, Network+!
>>> > Check out high quality telecommunications services at
>>
http://ld.net/?nu7i
>>> >
All the best to coalition forces carrying out Operation Iraqi Freedom!
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "david poehlman" <
david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:59 AM
>>> > Subject: [guispeak] Re: Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> too bad it's not accessible to most users.
>>> >>
>>> >> Johnnie Apple Seed
>>> >>
>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Andy Baracco" <
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>>> >> To: <
guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >> Cc: <
whoweare@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
; <
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;
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>>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 2:14 AM
>>> >> Subject: [guispeak] Fw: online internet learning session (fwd)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>
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>>> >>>To:
VICUG-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> >>>
Subject: Fw: online internet learning session
>>> >>>
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