[geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
- From: "Cheryl B." <c.battles@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 13:33:40 -0500
Gary -- What is WAF? Cheryl
Did you find out LOL means Laugh Out Loud?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:51 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> Genesis 1:20, naturally.
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:08 AM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
>
>
> > Please Gary what verse 20? Philip... By the way, I believed in an
aether,
> without any help from the Bible....
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gary Shelton
> > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:39 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> >
> > I don't think we should forget that the Bible talks of the "open"
> firmament
> > of heaven as being the sky in verse 20.
> >
> > I kind of think we have the earth, the open firmament, the firmament,
> and
> > the WAF.
> >
> > Does that fly with you?
> >
> > Gary Shelton
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
> > To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:11 PM
> > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> >
> >
> > > Dear Dr. Jones,
> > >
> > > I'll not deny
> > > you a quick reply.......
> > >
> > > Amazing. There are just a few fuzzy areas to clarify.
> > >
> > > 1- <The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.>
> > > Does this include atmospheric water, both visible (rain,clouds) and
> > > invisible(vapor)?
> > > Remember, the aquasphere and atmosphere are constantly exchanging
> water
> > via
> > > rain and evaporation.
> > >
> > > 2- <the dry land may be within the firmament>
> > > It is written:
> > > Gen 1:9 God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be
> > > gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And
it
> was
> > so
> > > done.
> > >
> > > The land was below the water when the plenum was created (If the
land
> > > appeared now, it must have been created before).
> > > My exegesis is that the plenum ends at the earth's surface, whether
> dry or
> > > wet, since the land was formerly part of/under the water.
> > >
> > > Else, if the plenum penetrates the dry land, how far does it
> penetrate?
> > Sea
> > > level? To the core? What about the lakes and rivers above sea
level?
> > >
> > > 3- <There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum.>
> > > Could this water be frozen....ice?
> > >
> > > 4- <If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> completely
> > > frictionless.>
> > > Friction is the resistance to relative motion between 2 objects in
> > contact.
> > > In the case of the plenum one of the objects is invisible (so far).
> > > If this means to you that the plenum cannot slow an object down,
then
> I
> > > respectfully disagree .
> > > Perhaps a little more description of 'friction' would help.
> > >
> > > 5- <there would be paths within it for the Sun, Moon, planets and
> stars
> > > (just like there are channels in the ocean).>
> > > For future discussion - not now!
> > > Are these paths static or dynamic?
> > > The objects listed were inserted into the plenum by God. What about
> those
> > > artifacts inserted by man - satellites? Do they also have paths
> pre-formed
> > > into the plenum?
> > >
> > > Note that my questions are requests for information, not challenges.
> > >
> > >
> > > Pax Christi,
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville
> Jones
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:26 PM
> > > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Robert,
> > > >
> > > > You are a bit of a dark horse, but you are an open-minded dark
> > > > horse, that's for sure. And a poet to boot, although that's not so
> sure.
> > > >
> > > > As to your rude question, "What does Scripture say of the
> > > > plenum's boundaries? What is its extent? How do you read it?", I
> > > > respond as follows:
> > > >
> > > > The plenum, or firmament, was created on Day 2, before there was
> > > > any other physical thing, except water. In particular, there was
> > > > no dry ground. The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.
> > > > Also, the dry land may be within the firmament, too. In fact, it
> > > > almost certainly is now, because it was raised up significantly
> > > > in parts after the Flood.
> > > >
> > > > There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum. On the
> > > > surface of that water is where I believe the third heaven starts
> > > > (i.e., where God and all angelic beings reside.)
> > > >
> > > > If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> > > > completely frictionless. However, there would be paths within it
> > > > for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars (just like there are
> > > > channels in the ocean).
> > > >
> > > > As time goes by,
> > > > I await your reply.
> > > >
> > > > Neville.
> > > >
> > > > Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Dr. Jones,
> > > >
> > > > see RB: inserts
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr.
Neville
> > Jones
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:27 PM
> > > > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon landings?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I believe that now is a good time to move this discussion on a
> little.
> > > > >
> > > > > We are seemingly all agreed that the Bible informs us the the
> > > > > World is fixed and does not move in any way.
> > > >
> > > > RB: Geostatics I affirm today
> > > > but a year ago would have said - Nay!
> > > >
> > > > > I'm not sidestepping the force issue. I'm just taking this one
> > > > > step at a time. But let me ask you something ... if the plenum
is
> > > > > exerting some force on material objects, and this force is from
> > > > > east to west, then why does it not affect the atmosphere?
> > > > >
> > > > > Neville.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > RB: Excellent Q?, Dr. Jones.
> > > >
> > > > It's rude to answer a question with another, but so many of your
> > positions
> > > > surprise me, I don't really know what to expect of your
metaphysics.
> > > >
> > > > So before I trigger what is potentially a long but enlightening
> > > > thread, let
> > > > me be Socratic and ask your indulgence to answer the following. I
> > > > promise to
> > > > respond in turn, but will understand if you choose not to pursue
> > > > this issue.
> > > >
> > > > What does Scripture say of the plenum's boundaries? What is its
> > > > extent? How
> > > > do you read it?
> > > >
> > > > Gen 1:6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the
> waters:
> > and
> > > > let it divide the waters from the waters.
> > > > 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under
> the
> > > > firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was
so.
> DR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Pax Christi,
> > > >
> > > > Robert
> > > >
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