[geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
- From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:55:43 -0500
Gen 1:20 God also said: Let the waters bring forth the creeping creature
having life, and the fowl that may fly over the earth under the firmament of
heaven. DR
Yes, the Hebrew term 'paniym' means in front of, on the face of.
So the open sky is the face of the firmament - the lower visible part -
clouds, blue sky, etc.
Pax Christi,
Robert
> -----Original Message-----
> From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gary Shelton
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:40 PM
> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
>
>
> I don't think we should forget that the Bible talks of the "open"
> firmament
> of heaven as being the sky in verse 20.
>
> I kind of think we have the earth, the open firmament, the firmament, and
> the WAF.
>
> Does that fly with you?
>
> Gary Shelton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:11 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
>
>
> > Dear Dr. Jones,
> >
> > I'll not deny
> > you a quick reply.......
> >
> > Amazing. There are just a few fuzzy areas to clarify.
> >
> > 1- <The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.>
> > Does this include atmospheric water, both visible (rain,clouds) and
> > invisible(vapor)?
> > Remember, the aquasphere and atmosphere are constantly exchanging water
> via
> > rain and evaporation.
> >
> > 2- <the dry land may be within the firmament>
> > It is written:
> > Gen 1:9 God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be
> > gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear.
> And it was
> so
> > done.
> >
> > The land was below the water when the plenum was created (If the land
> > appeared now, it must have been created before).
> > My exegesis is that the plenum ends at the earth's surface,
> whether dry or
> > wet, since the land was formerly part of/under the water.
> >
> > Else, if the plenum penetrates the dry land, how far does it penetrate?
> Sea
> > level? To the core? What about the lakes and rivers above sea level?
> >
> > 3- <There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum.>
> > Could this water be frozen....ice?
> >
> > 4- <If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> completely
> > frictionless.>
> > Friction is the resistance to relative motion between 2 objects in
> contact.
> > In the case of the plenum one of the objects is invisible (so far).
> > If this means to you that the plenum cannot slow an object down, then I
> > respectfully disagree .
> > Perhaps a little more description of 'friction' would help.
> >
> > 5- <there would be paths within it for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars
> > (just like there are channels in the ocean).>
> > For future discussion - not now!
> > Are these paths static or dynamic?
> > The objects listed were inserted into the plenum by God. What
> about those
> > artifacts inserted by man - satellites? Do they also have paths
> pre-formed
> > into the plenum?
> >
> > Note that my questions are requests for information, not challenges.
> >
> >
> > Pax Christi,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr.
> Neville Jones
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:26 PM
> > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Robert,
> > >
> > > You are a bit of a dark horse, but you are an open-minded dark
> > > horse, that's for sure. And a poet to boot, although that's
> not so sure.
> > >
> > > As to your rude question, "What does Scripture say of the
> > > plenum's boundaries? What is its extent? How do you read it?", I
> > > respond as follows:
> > >
> > > The plenum, or firmament, was created on Day 2, before there was
> > > any other physical thing, except water. In particular, there was
> > > no dry ground. The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.
> > > Also, the dry land may be within the firmament, too. In fact, it
> > > almost certainly is now, because it was raised up significantly
> > > in parts after the Flood.
> > >
> > > There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum. On the
> > > surface of that water is where I believe the third heaven starts
> > > (i.e., where God and all angelic beings reside.)
> > >
> > > If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> > > completely frictionless. However, there would be paths within it
> > > for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars (just like there are
> > > channels in the ocean).
> > >
> > > As time goes by,
> > > I await your reply.
> > >
> > > Neville.
> > >
> > > Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dr. Jones,
> > >
> > > see RB: inserts
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville
> Jones
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:27 PM
> > > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon landings?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe that now is a good time to move this discussion
> on a little.
> > > >
> > > > We are seemingly all agreed that the Bible informs us the the
> > > > World is fixed and does not move in any way.
> > >
> > > RB: Geostatics I affirm today
> > > but a year ago would have said - Nay!
> > >
> > > > I'm not sidestepping the force issue. I'm just taking this one
> > > > step at a time. But let me ask you something ... if the plenum is
> > > > exerting some force on material objects, and this force is from
> > > > east to west, then why does it not affect the atmosphere?
> > > >
> > > > Neville.
> > > >
> > >
> > > RB: Excellent Q?, Dr. Jones.
> > >
> > > It's rude to answer a question with another, but so many of your
> positions
> > > surprise me, I don't really know what to expect of your metaphysics.
> > >
> > > So before I trigger what is potentially a long but enlightening
> > > thread, let
> > > me be Socratic and ask your indulgence to answer the following. I
> > > promise to
> > > respond in turn, but will understand if you choose not to pursue
> > > this issue.
> > >
> > > What does Scripture say of the plenum's boundaries? What is its
> > > extent? How
> > > do you read it?
> > >
> > > Gen 1:6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the waters:
> and
> > > let it divide the waters from the waters.
> > > 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under the
> > > firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so. DR
> > >
> > >
> > > Pax Christi,
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
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