[geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
- From: "Gary Shelton" <garylshelton@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 00:51:09 -0600
Genesis 1:20, naturally.
Gary
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From: "Philip" <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 12:08 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> Please Gary what verse 20? Philip... By the way, I believed in an aether,
without any help from the Bible....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gary Shelton
> To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:39 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
>
> I don't think we should forget that the Bible talks of the "open"
firmament
> of heaven as being the sky in verse 20.
>
> I kind of think we have the earth, the open firmament, the firmament,
and
> the WAF.
>
> Does that fly with you?
>
> Gary Shelton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Bennett" <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:11 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
>
>
> > Dear Dr. Jones,
> >
> > I'll not deny
> > you a quick reply.......
> >
> > Amazing. There are just a few fuzzy areas to clarify.
> >
> > 1- <The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.>
> > Does this include atmospheric water, both visible (rain,clouds) and
> > invisible(vapor)?
> > Remember, the aquasphere and atmosphere are constantly exchanging
water
> via
> > rain and evaporation.
> >
> > 2- <the dry land may be within the firmament>
> > It is written:
> > Gen 1:9 God also said: Let the waters that are under the heaven, be
> > gathered together into one place: and let the dry land appear. And it
was
> so
> > done.
> >
> > The land was below the water when the plenum was created (If the land
> > appeared now, it must have been created before).
> > My exegesis is that the plenum ends at the earth's surface, whether
dry or
> > wet, since the land was formerly part of/under the water.
> >
> > Else, if the plenum penetrates the dry land, how far does it
penetrate?
> Sea
> > level? To the core? What about the lakes and rivers above sea level?
> >
> > 3- <There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum.>
> > Could this water be frozen....ice?
> >
> > 4- <If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
completely
> > frictionless.>
> > Friction is the resistance to relative motion between 2 objects in
> contact.
> > In the case of the plenum one of the objects is invisible (so far).
> > If this means to you that the plenum cannot slow an object down, then
I
> > respectfully disagree .
> > Perhaps a little more description of 'friction' would help.
> >
> > 5- <there would be paths within it for the Sun, Moon, planets and
stars
> > (just like there are channels in the ocean).>
> > For future discussion - not now!
> > Are these paths static or dynamic?
> > The objects listed were inserted into the plenum by God. What about
those
> > artifacts inserted by man - satellites? Do they also have paths
pre-formed
> > into the plenum?
> >
> > Note that my questions are requests for information, not challenges.
> >
> >
> > Pax Christi,
> >
> > Robert
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville
Jones
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:26 PM
> > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: plenum effects atmosphere?
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Robert,
> > >
> > > You are a bit of a dark horse, but you are an open-minded dark
> > > horse, that's for sure. And a poet to boot, although that's not so
sure.
> > >
> > > As to your rude question, "What does Scripture say of the
> > > plenum's boundaries? What is its extent? How do you read it?", I
> > > respond as follows:
> > >
> > > The plenum, or firmament, was created on Day 2, before there was
> > > any other physical thing, except water. In particular, there was
> > > no dry ground. The atmosphere is therefore part of the firmament.
> > > Also, the dry land may be within the firmament, too. In fact, it
> > > almost certainly is now, because it was raised up significantly
> > > in parts after the Flood.
> > >
> > > There is water surrounding the boundary of this plenum. On the
> > > surface of that water is where I believe the third heaven starts
> > > (i.e., where God and all angelic beings reside.)
> > >
> > > If this reasoning is fairly sound, then the plenum must be
> > > completely frictionless. However, there would be paths within it
> > > for the Sun, Moon, planets and stars (just like there are
> > > channels in the ocean).
> > >
> > > As time goes by,
> > > I await your reply.
> > >
> > > Neville.
> > >
> > > Robert Bennett <robert.bennett@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dr. Jones,
> > >
> > > see RB: inserts
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:geocentrism-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Dr. Neville
> Jones
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 10:27 PM
> > > > To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Moon landings?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe that now is a good time to move this discussion on a
little.
> > > >
> > > > We are seemingly all agreed that the Bible informs us the the
> > > > World is fixed and does not move in any way.
> > >
> > > RB: Geostatics I affirm today
> > > but a year ago would have said - Nay!
> > >
> > > > I'm not sidestepping the force issue. I'm just taking this one
> > > > step at a time. But let me ask you something ... if the plenum is
> > > > exerting some force on material objects, and this force is from
> > > > east to west, then why does it not affect the atmosphere?
> > > >
> > > > Neville.
> > > >
> > >
> > > RB: Excellent Q?, Dr. Jones.
> > >
> > > It's rude to answer a question with another, but so many of your
> positions
> > > surprise me, I don't really know what to expect of your metaphysics.
> > >
> > > So before I trigger what is potentially a long but enlightening
> > > thread, let
> > > me be Socratic and ask your indulgence to answer the following. I
> > > promise to
> > > respond in turn, but will understand if you choose not to pursue
> > > this issue.
> > >
> > > What does Scripture say of the plenum's boundaries? What is its
> > > extent? How
> > > do you read it?
> > >
> > > Gen 1:6 And God said: Let there be a firmament made amidst the
waters:
> and
> > > let it divide the waters from the waters.
> > > 7 And God made a firmament, and divided the waters that were under
the
> > > firmament, from those that were above the firmament, and it was so.
DR
> > >
> > >
> > > Pax Christi,
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
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