[geocentrism] Re: Pro-HC physical phenomenon?
- From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:30:08 +1000
Glad you came to your senses and reject that crazy idea of time being a
dimension of space.Marc.
Hold on Marc. Whilst I may have gotten my "terminology" confused, the physical
dimension which we subjectively experience sequentially as time in a three
dimensional existence is still a physical reality. It is a finite physical
dimension. This four dimensional object of the Universe was created and no
doubt destroyed in an instant of real time (eternity) as observed and
experienced by four dimensional beings. Angels for example.
Therefore, as you can review from all that I have said, I still hold that the
"existence" we perceive subjectively, and sequentially as time, of the three
dimensions, is a real dimension of "space" . By space here, I mean "finite
created universe" . That needs a reading carefully.
You said, "Time is an abstraction without physical property while space has
physical properties."
Yes! so long as by "space" you mean all of the created universe, which I
nominaly call an "object" or created object. It is a finite four dimensional
object. It is not infinite in any direction.
I admit of some difficulty in relating this to the mental concept of a real
infinite space, which is really nothing, having no substance.
Ouch! I better be careful, or I'll fall into the trap of scholasticism which I
dispise as being much ado about nothing.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: marc-veilleux@xxxxxxxxxxxx
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 1:27 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Pro-HC physical phenomenon?
Philip,
Glad you came to your senses and reject that crazy idea of time being a
dimension of space.
Time is an abstraction without physical property while space has physical
properties.
Does anybody has a clue why GS sattellites only stay put above the equator
and how wide is the range in which they stay put (without moving)? In other
words, what causes the satellites at the same height to move if they are not
above the equator?
Christus Imperat, Marc Veilleux
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From: "philip madsen" <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Pro-HC physical phenomenon?
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:31:23 +1000
The trouble with this is that the aether has to be frictionless. And where
does the aether start?
Best wishes, Neville
The aether is not a material medium, so it cannot demonstrate friction.
I prefer to think of the aether as an effect like pressure, which resists
movement against itself, (ie change of direction of motion) and also resists
the change in magnetic or electrostatic force fields. Just to name three.
That the aether rotates, is simply because it is, as an all pervading
"space" component of the created universe, by necessity rotating with the
universe around this world.
In an earlier post or posts I have described this phenomenon as resulting
from the fact that the universe is four dimensional, and time being the fourth
dimension.
Last night I awoke with the conviction that the latter underlined, was an
error or rather an incomplete hypotheses. Time is a subjective experience. It
is not a physical property. Allowing it to be a physical property creates that
erronious idea of time travel, which I admit tempted my reason.
If you apply your thoughts as to how you look at a three dimensional
object, let us use a 12 inch rule that is 1 inch X 3mm thick, consider how
impossible it would be to take a segment of the first inch graduation, and
insert it somewhere else on the scale.
When the world was created it was complete, from beginning to end, with all
four physical dimensions, of length , breadth, thickness and extension, (from
new to decayed, from where it started [movement] to where it ended.)
God would see it as a complete four dimensional object.
Time as subjectively experienced by us as sentient beings is just that, an
experience, so we can ignore it .
But from this, we can easily conjecture that empty space, that we see when
we gaze into space is an illusion. To take any particle from now to a spot in
the future or past, is equivalent to the impossibility I mentioned above with
the 12 inch rule. I liken it to the space which we cannot see that exists
within the atom of a molecule of steel or water.
Just as we accept the steel or the water as solid, and resistant to forces
, so likewise is the fourth dimension of this universe resistant to force,
whether it be physical acceleration, or electromagnetic phenomena, which is
restricted to the speed of light.
It is ofcourse impossible to be accurate about this, but it is I think a
start in the right direction to understanding what is the aether.
Philip.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Neville Jones
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Pro-HC physical phenomenon?
Allen,
You state:
2. I also would like to touch upon a subtle but importaint point and I
dont think I did it justice in my last post.....
"Gravity is the Key! Particular when you consider the fact that within
the GC framework the concept of the Ether & or firmament from our perspective
describe bodies that are placed in a ridged frame work not just free floating
in space and bound by some abstract Newtonian gravity."
The Sagnac experiment shows that either the World or the universe is
rotating and I believe it has now been demonstrated that the period of rotation
is the sidereal day, rather than the mean solar day. However, if the satellite
is placed in a rigid frame, and that frame (the aether?) is rotating wrt (with
respect to) the World, then the satellite will also rotate wrt the World,
unless it was given a tangential velocity that exactly (or thereabouts)
canceled the tangential velocity of the aether at the altitude in question
(22,300 miles). The trouble with this is that the aether has to be
frictionless. And where does the aether start?
Best wishes,
Neville.
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