I just think Dr. Neville T. Jones' position is stronger than Paul Deema's position and that -- not only do I have the right to say so -- this is the path to increased knowledge. :~ ) Bernie Paul Deema <paul_deema@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Neville J OK -- let's start again -- me in black!!! Regarding Global Warming. I did not lambast it. What I said (and this is from memory) was that all the evidence I had (short of seeing it) was that I was inclined to believe that it was unreliable and I gave reasons why I believed this to be so. Having now seen it (and a discussion panel assessment) I think the producer was -- in a previous life -- a snake oil salesman, and I do not shrink from my previous position. I have no problem with that, if you are genuine. In the British tradition, our laws are based on an adversarial tradition. It is entirely reasonable to carry this into other arenas including whether or not the Earth moves. You make a public statement, I question it, you counter. So long as I limit my attacks to items which I assess as being unsupportable, and I supply a counter argument with supporting evidence, I can't see that I have done anything which requires apology. There is no enmity in my position -- I just think my position is stronger than yours and that -- not only do I have the right to say so -- this is the path to increased knowledge. Surely this latter should be the guiding light for all of us? '...never said that the chopper would touch down at the other side of America...' No, that's true -- you didn't. But you did choose to support the helicopter example (which did mention four hours and trans-USA) while ignoring the example which I drew from your assertions. Deflection? Regarding Apollo and laser retro-reflectors. We've been this route previously and my views are on record. I am however intrigued by your assertion that these artifacts -- should they exist -- could be used to resolve the helio/geo debate. Further, I am curious, not to mention -- it would seem -- ignorant. Would you explain how this might be resolved? I've given it several seconds consideration |[:-) but no solution suggests itself. Paul D --------------------------------- Yahoo!7 Mail has just got even bigger and better with unlimited storage on all webmail accounts. Find out more. --------------------------------- Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing.