Re: [foxboro] Upgrading Foxboro AW from P91, (Dell 2800), to P91,(Dell 2900), 2003 Server

  • From: "Johnson, Alex P (IPS)" <alex.johnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:21:49 -0500

Tom,

Russ will respond in more detail I am sure, but I'd like to point out
one thing that I've often seen when the non-standard procedure is
followed.

In general, I have found that similar updates, e.g., loading on I/A
Series software on non-I/A Series hardware or older images on newer
hardware, may seem normal up to the point that there is a network issue.

At that point, various issues can occur with the most obvious being loss
of control network communication totally or partially (islanding).

If you go this route, you really need to test the redundancy of the
network communications thoroughly.


Regards,
 
Alex Johnson
Invensys Process Systems
10900 Equity Drive
Houston, TX 77041
713 329 8472 (desk)
713 329 1600 (operator)
713 329 1944 (SSC Fax)
713 329 1700 (Central Fax)
alex.johnson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 1:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [foxboro] Upgrading Foxboro AW from P91, (Dell 2800), to
P91,(Dell 2900), 2003 Server

Ron,
    I thought you would be the first to reply to my post to the list.  I

am not claiming victory yet but we were able to do a backup of the 
C:(Windows), and D: (IA), partitions on a Dell 2800 P91 with a single 
hard drive that was running Bios 1.5.0 and have restored it to a new  
Dell 2900 P91 with a Raid 1 with dual hard drives running Bios 2.5.0 or 
something like that.  We used a trial download version of Symantec 
Backup and Restore Ver.8.5.  Rather than backing up the whole hard drive

in one combined image we backed up the C: and D: partitions separately 
and restored them separately to allow us to utilize different restore 
options that come with Symantec Ver.8.5 restore for each partition.  We 
backed up to a USB hard drive on the 2800 and then connected that USB 
drive to the new 2900 for the restore. 
    The new Symantec restore boot CD has a "Restore Anywhere" feature 
that can be invoked during the restore setup and is supposed to be 
designed to load without transferring all of the machine hardware 
specific files/drivers.  On initial boot we let it try to boot all the 
way up but it hung during the boot and finally bailed and rebooted 
before it completed to boot up.  We decided to boot in the Safe Mode 
without networking and we were able to get it to re-establish all of the

plug and play drivers.  Next we booted into the Safe Mode with 
Networking and took care of the network adapters.  It shows a mini port 
driver error and didn't correctly identify the Fiber NIC's as Allied 
Telesyns but it was happy enough to reboot with no complaints except the

mini port. 
    Tomorrow I plan to delete the Fiber NIC's and then re-install the 
drivers for the Allied Telesysn's.  I will also delete the mini port and

then do a Day 0/1 on the box to see if it correctly binds.  All of the 
applications and data files from the old 2800 are now on the C: and D: 
partitions of the new 2900, so if this works and the fiber NIC's and 
Mini port correctly re-install I think we have a shot at getting this 
done without doing all of the specific application reloads and database 
saves that you struggled through.  We decided not to pull the fiber 
NIC's out of the old box because it is used for too many things to leave

it down while we play with it's replacement.
    I am not claiming victory yet but there is definitely hope for 
success.  I will let everyone know if we are successful.
    Included below is information about Ver.8.5 Symantec.  It is worth a

watch to understand what it seems to do.

Cheers,
Tom VandeWater
Control Conversions, Inc.
Kapolei, HI

>
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> Cheers,
> Tom VandeWater
> Control Conversions, Inc.
> Kapolei, HI



Ron Schafer wrote:
> Well it seems that while I have been gone to tend to the ferrets and
chickens a topic of great pain for myself has been hashed around. I can
verify to all as first hand information that a P91-2800 to p91-2900 will
restore just fine. The problem will surface when you reboot and all you
get is the familiar "BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH". We just shipped back a 2800
after spending many weeks getting the 2900 up to speed. (sorry Fox for
not returning it sooner...) Yes the pain was felt with the Day 0 and
many installs and reboots as it too was the boot host and RDP server and
backup OPC server and Foxray server and and and and the list goes
on....and on...and on.
> So for those about to try it, I did a ghost backup(of each partition
to keep the filesize smaller) to a extra HD on the 2800, rebooted into
windows, and copied them off to an extra harddrive on the 2900. This
allowed for a image that we can pull files from in the future if we need
to and its on a local drive to the 2900. Yes we had to Day 0 the
machine, however doing a Restore of the D partition did work. However, I
was very carefull to make sure no ICC changes were made between the
removal of the 2800 and installation of the 2900 as that would lead to
corrupt workfiles, or so I am told. Also, we did swap ethernet cards
just for the sake of the mac address issue. We have recently upgraded to
8.4.2 and continue to run without issues of major concern. This was a
fairly painless procedure once we gave up on the total ghost restore
idea and followed some basic rules. 
>  
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