Dear all,
I think this whole situation is very difficult. Clearly we want the council to
put in place as few restrictions of liberty as are necessary to achieve a
harmonious community for all. However I feel that restricting permit numbers to
one per house is unreasonable as many people (families, long distance commuters
etc) may practically need two cars. An alternative way to look at this might be
to look at inhabitants to vehicle ratio for each house when applying for
permits.
It would certainly be possible to reduce permit numbers by charging more in a
doubling pattern , for example first permit, £50, second permit £100, third
permit £200, 4th permit £400. This would have the advantage of not technically
restricting anyone (if someone is particularly keen for an extra permit) but
making, for example a second or third permit a much more thought provoking
exercise.
Another measure which I have seen in other places is to offer a reduced rate eg
£5 per year (just to cover costs) for cars of less than 3m in length. This
would have the effect of actually creating more spaces, if people were
persuaded by it. There are, however relatively few cars that would fulfil this
requirement.
Another potential measure would be to paint lines marking the spaces out on the
road. This would have the effect of 'lining people up' better and might give a
few extra spaces, although clearly this would negate any benefit produced by
people using shorter cars, as above.
Let the debate continue!
Best wishes,
Alexander
On 30 Mar 2019, at 10:40, Mike and Jan Andrews <botanic88@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all
We went to the parking permit meeting on Wednesday. People are angry because
the Council sells more permits than there are spaces.
This situation might be improved by not selling three permits to any house.
But this would only reduce the permits by five, according to the figures
James gave us. The situation might also be improved by adding a few more
spaces somehow.
However we think these possibilities only scratch the surface. The only way
to really solve the problem would be for the Council to sell less 'second
car' permits.
How could the Council sell less 'second car' permits in a fair manner?
This question isn't easy to answer. We have tried and so far failed!
Regards
Mike and Jan
From: eccotalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <eccotalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf
of James Sutherland <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 25 March 2019 20:20
To: eccotalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [eccotalk] Re: Botanical Gate Community Group meeting about parking
permits
Hi everyone
I’m sorry I can’t make the meeting this week regarding car parking around the
ECCO forum area due to a family birthday. I like most of us do worry (and
indeed stress) about the daily challenges each of us faces attempting to park
cars in resident spaces we have paid for.
Earlier this year I decided to contact Sheffield City Council to make a
freedom of information request which was quite enlightening…...
I requested to find out:
1. The Council’s estimate of the number of car parking spaces on the roads
of Rossington Road, Newington Road and Everton Road.
2. The total number of permits issued on the roads of Rossington Road,
Newington Road, Everton Road and numbers 78-92 Brocco Bank.
3. Number of properties issued 3 or more permits.
QUESTION 1:
"In relation to the estimation of the number of car parking spaces, the
Council’s Traffic Regulation Order System states the following lengths of
bays:
Rossington Road 137m & 129m
Newington Road 122m & 99m
Everton Road 99m & 174m
TOTAL: 760m
The Council’s transport scheme design team uses an average length of 5.5m
when planning the amount of bays.”
Therefore, 760 Divided by 5.5 (average vehicle length) = 138 spaces based on
the Council’s own calculations.
QUESTION 2:
"In relation to the number of car parking permits issued the Council reports
the following number of resident permits have been issued:
Rossington Road 58
Newington Road 36
Everton Road 60
78 – 92 Brocco Bank 6"
TOTAL: 160 resident permits issued
QUESTION 3:
"No properties can be allocated more than 3 parking permits.
X3 properties on Rossington Road have 3 permits
X1 property of Newington Road has 3 permits
X1 property on Everton Road has 3 permits
No properties (78-92) Brocco Bank have 3 permits"
IN SUMMARY:
Based on the Council’s own figures and on the sample size requested it is
clear the council have over sold and over subscribed on resident parking
permits, granting approximately 22 permits more than there is physically
space for!!!
This is without considering the additional impact of the Brocco on the Park
hotel and restaurant which certainly on Rossington Road places additional
pressure on the parking permits. Ordinarily this would be a problem outside
of the parking restriction times, however, I have all too often seen people
attending the hotel/restaurant parking on Rossington Road with blatant
disregard to resident’s parking being in effect. I am supportive towards the
hotel for the positive image it portrays and this is by no means a criticism
of the staff and management of the hotel as this situation is beyond their
control.
MY QUESTIONS/OBSERVATIONS:
1. Why is the resident’s parking restriction time limited to up until 6pm
when to attempt to manage the parking situation 24/7 restrictions are needed
to attempt to supply sufficient parking for the resident permits issued?
2. How do the Council plan to take action to more appropriately match the
number of allocated parking bays to the actual capacity?
3. Why do students receive a discount for resident parking permits? Many
students are resident in Sheffield for the bulk of the year and we do not
offer discounts on factors such as road tax, so why should parking be any
different?
4. Given there is a clear oversubscription of parking spaces at this time,
would it be sensible for the non-residential parking spaces at the bottom of
Rossington Road and Newington Road to be converted into resident only parking
to attempt to manage the shortage of capacity that has been created by the
Council issuing too many resident permits?
Once again, sorry I am unable to make the meeting and also for the length of
this email but hopefully the information may be of use and also makes
interesting reading for those of us frustrated with struggles to find car
parking spaces at times.
Kind regards
James
James Sutherland
Director
84 Brocco Bank Sheffield S11 8RS
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On 13 Mar 2019, at 19:42, Gwen Wilson <wilsongw123@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I intend to attend.
Gwen
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:31 PM Mike and Jan Andrews <botanic88@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi all
You may remember that a nearby community group (BGCA) wanted to hold a
meeting concerning Parking Permits on 20th February. It was cancelled
because the councillor concerned couldn't attend.
BGCA have arranged another meeting for Wednesday 27th March at 8.00 pm at
the Well on Ecclesall Road. Cllr Neale Gibson should be there. I've been
told that he is now responsible for parking permits.
ECCO members are invited, but please reply to this email or let me know
somehow if you are fairly sure you want to come. This is important because
BGCA needs a good idea of the numbers.
Also please remember that we are only invited to deal with the specific
issue of parking permits, not to air our grievances about everything else!
Mike
