Hi Tiina,
Thank you for your explanation - and for being so considerate of the
neighbourhood! That's very much appreciated and worth flagging up as an
example of best practice. It also dispels any worries we might have had
regarding the licence extension.
James, as far as the 'over-selling' goes: one could argue that the Council
would do it anyway, even if they only gave out exactly as many permits as
there are spaces. That's because of the visitor permits and the fact that
parking space use is, to quite an extent, unpredictable: people go on
holiday (which leaves 'their' space empty), have parties (ie multiple
visitors), so building works (skips) etc. So a certain amount of
fluctuation is always there.
The question is (you've asked that one already) whether the Council keeps
tabs on how many permits they give out for an area, and to what extent they
oversell. Also, do they have a set margin, or is it just random numbers?
The meeting was interesting (we both attended), a lot of concerns got
aired, the Councillor in attendance promised to follow up a number of
those.... So wait and see - and chase up as appropriate! ;)
Cheers,
Fides&Ramen
On Fri, 29 Mar 2019, 12:11 Tiina Carr <tiina@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Dear neighbours
I just wanted to explain how proactive we are to parking in the area.
Brocco itself has only one parking business permit which is for me and I
use 4-5 days a week for a max of 9 hours used during the day when there are
plenty of spaces.
We pay £2,500 a year for parking with the church and are always proactive
in directing guests to this facility – all guests are asked on arrival
where they have parked – we have a space for *every* room using behind
the hotel and at the church. There is little need for them to park in your
space.
We have parking instructions on our confirmation information that goes
every resident on booking.
We have parking info for others on our website. We always help locals
parking for the restaurant on where to park – not in your spaces!. I
believe there is only a handful of people that don’t care about a parking
ticket we always say don’t park on the street as you will get a ticket.
It is helpful for us to have the 3 free spaces outside the hotel for
guests who don’t want to go to the church in the rain or in the dark –
single females in the main are a little reluctant – so I would hate to see
these go.
I just wanted to assure you we are very proactive.
Thanks
Tiina
*From:* eccotalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
eccotalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *James Sutherland
*Sent:* 27 March 2019 18:19
*To:* eccotalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [eccotalk] Re: Botanical Gate Community Group meeting about
parking permits
Hi Ramon/Fides
I feel your pain totally and completely relate to all of the issues you
are raising.
I think your idea about incremental price increases for 2 or more permits
is a really good idea as an approach to manage the situation and also to
promote green transport. I’m sure the Council would be in full support too
as it would raise their income from parking (possibly they could even look
at introducing one or two electric car charge points as non of us could
ever realistically entertain the idea of an electric car because of outside
power and our streets would look like trip wire maze of extension leads
haha).
I agree entirely about the policing of parking and the 6pm time being
unhelpful as it is the time we need it when we are getting home. I really
hope the council consider adopting the non resident bays into the resident
parking scheme to alleviate some of the parking pressures. I do wonder
whether it would be any deterrent if the council put in place 24/7 resident
parking notices (even if they had no intention of enforcing after 6pm), I
know not everyone pays attention but for some people it would work and it
would not cost a great deal of money for a few signs.
Possibly one other option might be for the hotel to have some signage in
their car park to direct their customers to use the rear of the church car
park where I understand an agreement exists for the hotel to utilise as an
overspill car park.
I know these measures won’t solve everything but every little might help.
Really sorry again I can’t make the meeting tonight but hopefully some
progress might be able to be made. I would love to be a fly on the wall
when the Council have to admit by their own data they have over sold
parking permits haha!
Kindest regards
James
James Sutherland
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84 Brocco Bank Sheffield S11 8RS
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On 27 Mar 2019, at 18:05, ramen fides <ramenandfides@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi James,
Thank you very much for supplying the figures - the complaint has been
made for years. In fact, we have raised the issue of 'residents only' time
right from the start, as policing during the day is mostly unnecessary and
ceases after 6pm, when many residents are actually getting home from work
and struggle to find parking. The answer has been the same for all those
years: Council only enforces during the day, as they can't afford
out-of-hours policing... In other words, as far as residents' parking is
concerned, the scheme is mostly useless, and the main reason for opting in
was the understanding 'if we don't, we'll be the freebie of the local area'
- which is precisely what happened to Hunter House Road.
When we speak to students, we've been actively trying to dissuade them
from bringing their cars, as they mostly don't need them during the week
(in term time). We have also suggested campaigning for second/third permits
to be *more* expensive than first permits, to emphasise that there are
limitations and to incentivise car-sharing and using public transport...
All to no avail.
As the demographics in this area are changing, with more 'young graduates'
sharing HMOs and more young, two-car families moving in, the parking
situation has been getting steadily worse. The street resurfacing has also
resulted in the loss of some parking.
So yes, the situation is unsustainable. At the top end of
Rossington/Everton, overnight parking on double yellow lines is now the
norm, and often we dread coming home late, since we won't be able to park
in any permitted space - sometimes we even give up on going out or staying
for longer because of that.
Best,
Ramen & Fides
On Mon, 25 Mar 2019, 20:20 James Sutherland <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Hi everyone
I’m sorry I can’t make the meeting this week regarding car parking around
the ECCO forum area due to a family birthday. I like most of us do worry
(and indeed stress) about the daily challenges each of us faces attempting
to park cars in resident spaces we have paid for.
Earlier this year I decided to contact Sheffield City Council to make a
freedom of information request which was quite enlightening…...
I requested to find out:
* 1. The Council’s estimate of the number of car parking spaces on the
roads of Rossington Road, Newington Road and Everton Road.*
* 2. The total number of permits issued on the roads of Rossington Road,
Newington Road, Everton Road and numbers 78-92 Brocco Bank.*
* 3. Number of properties issued 3 or more permits.*
*QUESTION 1:*
"In relation to the estimation of the number of car parking spaces, the
Council’s Traffic Regulation Order System states the following lengths of
bays:
Rossington Road 137m & 129m
Newington Road 122m & 99m
Everton Road 99m & 174m
*TOTAL: 760m*
The Council’s transport scheme design team uses an average length of 5.5m
when planning the amount of bays.”
*Therefore, 760 Divided by 5.5 (average vehicle length) = 138 spaces
based on the Council’s own calculations.*
*QUESTION 2:*
"In relation to the number of car parking permits issued the Council
reports the following number of resident permits have been issued:
Rossington Road 58
Newington Road 36
Everton Road 60
78 – 92 Brocco Bank 6"
*TOTAL: 160 resident permits issued*
*QUESTION 3:*
"No properties can be allocated more than 3 parking permits.
X3 properties on Rossington Road have 3 permits
X1 property of Newington Road has 3 permits
X1 property on Everton Road has 3 permits
No properties (78-92) Brocco Bank have 3 permits"
*IN SUMMARY:*
Based on the Council’s own figures and on the sample size requested it is
clear the council have over sold and over subscribed on resident parking
permits, *granting approximately 22 permits more than there is physically
space for!!!*
This is without considering the additional impact of the Brocco on the
Park hotel and restaurant which certainly on Rossington Road places
additional pressure on the parking permits. Ordinarily this would be a
problem outside of the parking restriction times, however, I have all too
often seen people attending the hotel/restaurant parking on Rossington Road
with blatant disregard to resident’s parking being in effect. I am
supportive towards the hotel for the positive image it portrays and this is
by no means a criticism of the staff and management of the hotel as this
situation is beyond their control.
*MY QUESTIONS/OBSERVATIONS:*
*1. *Why is the resident’s parking restriction time limited to up until
6pm when to attempt to manage the parking situation 24/7 restrictions are
needed to attempt to supply sufficient parking for the resident permits
issued?
2. How do the Council plan to take action to more appropriately match the
number of allocated parking bays to the actual capacity?
3. Why do students receive a discount for resident parking permits? Many
students are resident in Sheffield for the bulk of the year and we do not
offer discounts on factors such as road tax, so why should parking be any
different?
4. Given there is a clear oversubscription of parking spaces at this time,
would it be sensible for the non-residential parking spaces at the bottom
of Rossington Road and Newington Road to be converted into resident only
parking to attempt to manage the shortage of capacity that has been created
by the Council issuing too many resident permits?
Once again, sorry I am unable to make the meeting and also for the length
of this email but hopefully the information may be of use and also makes
interesting reading for those of us frustrated with struggles to find car
parking spaces at times.
Kind regards
James
James Sutherland
Director
84 Brocco Bank Sheffield S11 8RS
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On 13 Mar 2019, at 19:42, Gwen Wilson <wilsongw123@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I intend to attend.
Gwen
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 1:31 PM Mike and Jan Andrews <
botanic88@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all
You may remember that a nearby community group (BGCA) wanted to hold a
meeting concerning Parking Permits on 20th February. It was cancelled
because the councillor concerned couldn't attend.
BGCA have arranged another meeting for Wednesday 27th March at 8.00 pm at
the Well on Ecclesall Road. Cllr Neale Gibson should be there. I've been
told that he is now responsible for parking permits.
ECCO members are invited, but please reply to this email or let me know
somehow if you are fairly sure you want to come. This is important because
BGCA needs a good idea of the numbers.
Also please remember that we are only invited to deal with the specific
issue of parking permits, not to air our grievances about everything else!
Mike
