[dokuwiki] Re: Proposals for a cleanup on the splitbrain wiki
- From: Colin LORRAIN <colin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: dokuwiki@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:21:53 +0200
Hi,
I almost agree with you. On my side I think that way :
To move to a new NS, we have three options :
- By hand : takes time, is error prone, may lead to inconsistencies.
- A plugin way : Will need to edit each page and move them one by one
and we have to rely on a TOUGH tool to be sure everything is done the
right way and that we can go back online soon. If there are problems
we will have to rollback and do everything again.
- My prefered option is the last : a batch way. We should, as for
the other ways, crawl around pages and clean them up, but at the same
time we could add a little text at the beginning of each page source,
telling where this page has to go. Once all pages are "tagged" this
way. First make a backup of the pages, try the batch on it (harmless
to splitbrain wiki, this would be just an offline test). Then review
if everything is OK, if needed correct things. Do it again as long as
it's not ok. Once everything is fine we apply it on the production
wiki (first backuped of course), and let it roll.....
But at first we should really think at a new NS, and to the cleanup
guidelines. So any new proposal for the NS ? On the guidelines, I
would propose to :
0. Tidy root, but for this andi will not have too much work...
1. Crawl each page to clean them up :
- "Move" (perhaps with pagemove... if it's ok) lost content to the
new NS (for example : wiki:recipes:newssystem or any orphan page)
- Rewrite discussions to documentation (as andi proposed)
- If page is OK, "tag" it OK (So that other people know you've been
there), give a new path proposal and go the to the next...
- If page needs major changes or taht you don't feel ok to rewrite
it, discuss about it leaving a comment at the top of the page (maybe
with a specific syntax)...
3. begin to think on moving pages....
As 1. point can be done online this won't end up in too much downtime,
I think...
What do you think about this all ?
Le 25 juil. 08 à 19:48, Michael Klier a écrit :
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 02:15:46PM -0300, Felipe Uderman wrote:
Yes, with pagemove plugin you can easylly move or rename a page,
and
all the links on the wiki will be automatilly changed. But if
someone
tries to access the old page name/location (it will still be
cached by
search engines), then a "this page does not exist yet, create it"
is
what the users will get. Is there allready a plugin for
redirection on
this case?
As nice as the idea with "pagemove" plugin sounds, I am not
convinced that
this plugin works 100% on a large number of pages because of some
simple
reasons.
I've downloaded the plugin to take a look at the code. It does all the
logic of finding possibly broken backlinks etc. by running a bunch
of regular
expressions on the plain text of every page in the Wiki. I think
however the
plugin should rather work on the page instructions level to
eliminate most
points of possible failure and take the page meta data ("relation"
etc.) into
account. Simply put, we have much smarter ways to assemble lists of
media
references, backlinks, external links etc. but the plugin uses none
of them
and relies completely on it's own logic, which leads me to believe
that we
shouldn't use it.
Just my 2 cents
PS.: On the other hand, while thinking that much about it I am now
convinced
that writing a solid working pagemove plugin might not be that
hard ... but
not trivial too.
Cheers,
Chi
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