@Douggie the opening 4 notes of Beethoven 5th symphony correspond to the Morse code sequence dit dit dit daah as you rightly pointed out,, that translates to the letter v (v for victory) On 28/06/2014 16:30, Neal Lamb wrote: > http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm > > > On Saturday, June 28, 2014 5:23 AM, doug > <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Hi Shaun, > Glad you raised that. One of the problems I have in life is about the > meaning of words and concepts and the older I get the more abstruse do > the meanings become...to the point of illusion...or is it > elusion...When I was young I knew the meaning of everything and the > answer to everything...at least that is what me dad used to say. Now > that I am older I have reached the stage of where I mistrust > everything, but without quite accepting everything...to paraphrase > Oscar Wilde. > > Such thoughts of mine apply to the words democracy, impartiality, > independence and concepts of such ilk. Not that I am the only person > to suffer from such a thing. One hears those words bandied about > every day like they have some kind of precise and universal meaning, > like sliced bread; when in fact the very opposite is true. > > For instance, one could raise the question...in the wartime of World > War 2 the BBC was the only link that some countries had with > information which was different from that of the Nazi Propoganda > machine. In fact the BBC did even more than that, it was used as a > channel of information by the government to inform and guide > liberation movements and struggles in occupied territories. It also > fulfilled the role of keeping the British speaking peoples informed, > in a positive way, i.e. Dunkirk...of how the war was coming along, and > how to make spam, an American food import, which is rather ubiquitous > today. It used music from Beethoven's 5th Symphony for instance, one > of his dreariest in my view...I can never remember the meaning of the > words, though da da di da, I think it was in Morse Code and Chanson > d'autoumne was used by Radio Londres as the French called it, for > briefing la Resistance. This use made by the government of the BBC > facilities is, of course to be expected...if not welcome...in wartime. > see url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Londres > for an intro to the subject. And it shows the close links which there > are between government and a nation's communication systems. When > married to the London Clubs of the time, that little phrase, "It just > won't do, old chap" was very effective in the world of censoring words > or actions. > > Of course no one can broadcast television or radio, even amateurs, in > our society without having some kind of licence or being > registered...that is not just about keeping tabs on people or > organisations, or censoring content, but necessary for helping to > ensure that electrical interference doesn't stop people from watching > the BBC...;-) . This is of course, called dual or multi-purpose use, > like exporting munitions from the United States, once even included > cryptographic software. Nowadays it is allowed, if only because > governments export so much of it. Of course such attempts are never > absolute, as there are many local radio stations which operate around > the country, illegally, providing copyrighted material for free to our > young people, great nashings of teeth of the copyright industry. > > Much as in the same way the UK's first nuclear plant for power > generation at Sellafield which was opened by our Queen in a much > vaunted publicity stunt in the 1950's actually had the dual purpose of > providing plutonium for our nuclear bomb making industry. How I, as a > child, marvelled at the idea at the time, almost free and unlimited > power for the nation. I first read about it in the National Geographic > magazine, whilst I was at the dentist with toothache. I become so > absorbed in it, that it removed the pain. What would we do without > Sellafield today...all those nuclear fish and large storage tanks > leaking chemicals into the soil and Irish sea. Millions has been > spent on trying to clean it up, and they can't agree on where to store > it. Still, we have renamed the place...that should help solve the > problem. > > I have a funny feeling that those words, democracy, independence and > impartiality have all sorts of meaning to all sorts of people and > organisations and depend so much on context too, that they are > meaningless, certainly to me. It's a bit like science being objective > really, when I think science has much more to do with faith... > > ATB > Dougie. > P.S. Now, would you care to tell me what you mean by the phrase that > "*_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION" > _* > Not that I disagree with your sentiments, you understand...:-\ > > On 28/06/14 00:20, Shaun O'Connor wrote: > well that information Frankly does not surprise me one iota. oh and on > the question of the BBC being impartial. I question whether they even > know what the word means. > and obviously they serve the governments hidden(?) agenda beautifully > because there have I think been a number of occasions whereby if > everything was played directly by the book the BBC should have been > stripped of its charter. > <<snip>> > > "*_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION"_* > > -- *_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION _*