Hi Shaun,Of course it was...thank you for reminding me. As you can see, the radio and television media has always been used for passing information on from the state, no matter what country or nation it emanates from and no matter how "impartial" or "independent" it is defined. Using music via the mass media to pass on secret messages is not the only medium which has been used by the powers that be. In and after World War 2 the media was used by most nations to pass on instructions to its various agencies and agents abroad. In a lovely piece of fiction called "The 4th Protocol", I think the book was by Fred Forsyth, and it was eventually made into afilm. Radio Moscow was used to Broadcast "Moscow Nights" at a certain time and during a certain programme as a message to unleash a hydrogen bomb at a commemoration of US forces near Milton Keynes. The devious plan, was of course discovered by our alert and sophisticated security services and the culprits were tracked down. It was made into a film. It was the first time I came across the world "polonium" which is some kind of radioactive material apparently. I also discovered that Russian fishermen were allowed to land their catch at Ullapool, without having to go through customs or passport control...and this was at the height of the Cold War...Amazing really.
Have you ever heard of Vula? it was the secret communications system used by the African National Congress to communicate between the various groupings of its leadership, in South Africa and abroad, and was carried out under the very noses of the South African Aparthied and UK authorities.
i believe the story of its development can be found on the ANC website in its archives, but I haven't been able to find it, and it may be on cryptome, though I discovered the following url:
According to Mandela's lawyer, Mandela used his personal prison officers to pass on information to the rest of the ANC leadership. Apparently, the prison officer worked for the secret service, B.O.S.S. and passed on information from Mandela to his superiors. It took Mandela many years to develop these relationships and to be able to trust his prison officer. the problem was that if the messages given to the prison officer didn't get through, because the employer, B.O.S.S. didn't pass on the messages to the various conduits of the ANC then Mandela would have known about it and found out that the officer was a plant. It was one of those funny contradictions of history, that one of the most secretive and hated security services in the world, actually passed on "secret" messages from Mandela to his cohorts...funny eh... Eventually, the head of B.O.S.S. began to smell a rat and asked how it was thought up and Mandela apparently replied that he had more time to think about it...
ATB Dougie. On 28/06/14 21:50, Shaun O'Connor wrote:
@Douggie the opening 4 notes of Beethoven 5th symphony correspond to the Morse code sequence dit dit dit daah as you rightly pointed out,, that translates to the letter v (v for victory)On 28/06/2014 16:30, Neal Lamb wrote:Hi Shaun,Glad you raised that. One of the problems I have in life is about the meaning of words and concepts and the older I get the more abstruse do the meanings become...to the point of illusion...or is it elusion...When I was young I knew the meaning of everything and the answer to everything...at least that is what me dad used to say. Now that I am older I have reached the stage of where I mistrust everything, but without quite accepting everything...to paraphrase Oscar Wilde.Such thoughts of mine apply to the words democracy, impartiality, independence and concepts of such ilk. Not that I am the only person to suffer from such a thing. One hears those words bandied about every day like they have some kind of precise and universal meaning, like sliced bread; when in fact the very opposite is true.For instance, one could raise the question...in the wartime of World War 2 the BBC was the only link that some countries had with information which was different from that of the Nazi Propoganda machine. In fact the BBC did even more than that, it was used as a channel of information by the government to inform and guide liberation movements and struggles in occupied territories. It also fulfilled the role of keeping the British speaking peoples informed, in a positive way, i.e. Dunkirk...of how the war was coming along, and how to make spam, an American food import, which is rather ubiquitous today. It used music from Beethoven's 5th Symphony for instance, one of his dreariest in my view...I can never remember the meaning of the words, though da da di da, I think it was in Morse Code and Chanson d'autoumne was used by Radio Londres as the French called it, for briefing la Resistance. This use made by the government of the BBC facilities is, of course to be expected...if not welcome...in wartime.Of course no one can broadcast television or radio, even amateurs, in our society without having some kind of licence or being registered...that is not just about keeping tabs on people or organisations, or censoring content, but necessary for helping to ensure that electrical interference doesn't stop people from watching the BBC...;-) . This is of course, called dual or multi-purpose use, like exporting munitions from the United States, once even included cryptographic software. Nowadays it is allowed, if only because governments export so much of it. Of course such attempts are never absolute, as there are many local radio stations which operate around the country, illegally, providing copyrighted material for free to our young people, great nashings of teeth of the copyright industry.Much as in the same way the UK's first nuclear plant for power generation at Sellafield which was opened by our Queen in a much vaunted publicity stunt in the 1950's actually had the dual purpose of providing plutonium for our nuclear bomb making industry. How I, as a child, marvelled at the idea at the time, almost free and unlimited power for the nation. I first read about it in the National Geographic magazine, whilst I was at the dentist with toothache. I become so absorbed in it, that it removed the pain. What would we do without Sellafield today...all those nuclear fish and large storage tanks leaking chemicals into the soil and Irish sea. Millions has been spent on trying to clean it up, and they can't agree on where to store it. Still, we have renamed the place...that should help solve the problem.I have a funny feeling that those words, democracy, independence and impartiality have all sorts of meaning to all sorts of people and organisations and depend so much on context too, that they are meaningless, certainly to me. It's a bit like science being objective really, when I think science has much more to do with faith...ATB Dougie. P.S. Now, would you care to tell me what you mean by the phrase that "*_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION" _* Not that I disagree with your sentiments, you understand...:-\ On 28/06/14 00:20, Shaun O'Connor wrote:well that information Frankly does not surprise me one iota. oh and on the question of the BBC being impartial. I question whether they even know what the word means. and obviously they serve the governments hidden(?) agenda beautifully because there have I think been a number of occasions whereby if everything was played directly by the book the BBC should have been stripped of its charter.<<snip>> "*_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION"_*-- *_PRIVACY IS A BASIC RIGHT - NOT A CONCESSION _*