Re: this is what i found in canal walk
- From: Nicholas Robertson-Muir <nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 16:29:45 +0200
Agreed.
It's the YDK thing.
I changed my drivers for the TaitoX2 version and had better results with
the PS3 controllers than with my PS2 controllers.
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Both AE and KOF XIII are Taito Type X2 titles.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taito_Type_X2
>
> That contains a list of supported cards. The drivers aren't that
> important. It has more to do with the driver settings (v-sync etc).
>
> Input drivers aren't really important as it uses DirectInput (AFAIK).
>
> The problem comes in when they don't map the input devices correctly and
> they have to use a middle layer that introduces lag (eg xpadder or
> something like that). Then you have the crappy monitor, and other weird
> things that we don't know about.
>
> The bottom line is that the game is running the Taito Type X2 disc image
> (which we pretty much knew from the start). We don't know what BIOS
> settings are, and we don't know what the underlying OS settings are. We
> can ask them to check and even the former. The latter is a bit trickier.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> "got hold of the encryption keys and wrote a loader"
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_%28computer_security%29
>>
>> I'm sorry, but this just isn't the same.
>>
>> That's like saying that if we made 2 copies of your psyche and loaded 1
>> into you and 1 into me, we'd act the same.
>> I get what you're saying, the game code has not been modified. But what
>> of drivers for image/input?
>>
>> I could agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> That's what I've been saying all along. *The game hasn't been hacked*.
>>> It's just running on different hardware.
>>>
>>> Someone got hold of the encryption keys and wrote a loader. That's it.
>>> If you ran it on the same hardware, it would run identically.
>>>
>>> That's why some people can run the leaked images at 60fps with virtually
>>> no lag. The lag isn't because the game was hacked in anyway.
>>>
>>> It might seem like a semantics but it's not. You can even link the
>>> machines on a network and it will play identically to the original.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lol, OK Sal (you condescending little twit) In my opinion, the
>>>> hardware isn't the same.
>>>>
>>>> I have played the game in a Japan arcade cab and have played it on my
>>>> PC. You build code for a particular hardware and it will work as you
>>>> planned it for that hardware. ANY change will have an effect on the game.
>>>> On the *PC-HACK* it felt like playing an online game with lag.
>>>>
>>>> The official cabinet runs on hardware optimized for the game's use.
>>>> Well, truly, the game has been optimized for a particular's hardware use,
>>>> but hopefully you get my meaning.
>>>>
>>>> If you disagree, you'll still be wrong, but at least you'll know why.
>>>>
>>>> :P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ilitirit Sama <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lol, OK Nic. In your opinion, what is it about this "hack" that would
>>>>> cause more input lag than the original?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lies.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is a PC-hack.
>>>>>> The arcade version runs on PC architecture, sure. There is a security
>>>>>> dongle for running the game tho.
>>>>>> The hack makes it run on any pc by bypassing the security.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hack.
>>>>>> Not the same as the orginal.
>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:25 PM, Ilitirit Sama
>>>>>> <ilitirit@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not a PC hack. It's the real software running on Windows, just
>>>>>>> like the arcade version. That option reduces the lag by 2f. You won't
>>>>>>> notice it if your hardware is not fast enough to run the game at 60fps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Nicholas Robertson-Muir <
>>>>>>> nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, the game didn't need to be on a PS4, but it looks that much
>>>>>>>> prettier on it.
>>>>>>>> The gameplay is similar with little innovation.
>>>>>>>> The acting is excellent, and the characters feel real.
>>>>>>>> The city seems a bit sparser than the other titles, and the NPC's
>>>>>>>> could've had more variation, not that it matters when you see very
>>>>>>>> little
>>>>>>>> of them. lol.
>>>>>>>> Getting around with powers is what's it's all about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I couldn't stop playing.
>>>>>>>> I found myself doing side missions because I didn't want the story
>>>>>>>> to progress too fast, and then the side missions were an excuse to try
>>>>>>>> different approaches to the combat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @ilitirit
>>>>>>>> The lag fix did dick for the lag when I changed it on the PC-hack
>>>>>>>> of KOF13.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Wynand-Ben <
>>>>>>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Impressions sofar?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 12:11:11 +0200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: this is what i found in canal walk
>>>>>>>>> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Playing it already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :D
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Wynand-Ben <
>>>>>>>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I played some Infamous 1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Enjoyed it for the most part but just kinda lost interist after a
>>>>>>>>> while... not sure why.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will see how this stacks up when I get to it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You getting it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 11:59:24 +0200
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: this is what i found in canal walk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SUUPER EXITED, for your part.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did you play the others at all?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:55 AM, Wynand-Ben <
>>>>>>>>> paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah ok
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cool
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Should hopefully get to check it out soon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 11:50:19 +0200
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: RE: this is what i found in canal walk
>>>>>>>>> From: nicmuir@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cool, the game has an online (off console) component that involves
>>>>>>>>> detective work.
>>>>>>>>> I don't want to spoil anything, but I must say something about the
>>>>>>>>> game that I cannot keep to myself.
>>>>>>>>> It's only because I think you are a fan of a specific anime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a conduit in the game that has the most exciting ability,
>>>>>>>>> and I hope that it is similar in uses to the anime characters.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Anime is "READ OR DIE"
>>>>>>>>> Spoiler Protected :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2014 10:33, "Wynand-Ben" <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > I have it... havent had a chance to even touch it yet.
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > Will probably only give it a go on the weekend
>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> > ________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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