[brailleblaster] Re: LiblouisUTDML and backtranslate string
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:42:41 -0600
Except that the user may want to get a back-translation and edit the
print view or just look at it.
John
On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 01:42:41PM +0000, Larry Skutchan wrote:
> We really could avaid the back translation problems by opening a brf file as
> a locked, already translated document.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Keith Creasy
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:01 PM
> To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: LiblouisUTDML and backtranslate string
>
> Michael.
>
> I'm listening. Are you saying that you don't see a need for a user to open a
> BRF into BrailleBlaster to work on it? If everyone elase agrees then maybe we
> don't need to do it. That does happen at APH but I suppose our transcribers
> could just use their existing tools for that. If others don't see it as
> important then I'm fine with dropping it.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Whapples
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 1:56 PM
> To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: LiblouisUTDML and backtranslate string
>
> May be my question should have been: Is this a scenario which BrailleBlaster
> is meant to support?
>
> I infer from your answer that this might be a yes although I am not sure
> really why it should be.
>
> Michael Whapples
> On 24/01/2014 18:44, Keith Creasy wrote:
> > I don't think so but it will be soon.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
> > Whapples
> > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 8:36 AM
> > To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: LiblouisUTDML and backtranslate string
> >
> > Is this a scenario supported by BrailleBlaster?
> >
> > Michael Whapples
> > On 24/01/2014 13:25, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >> Back-translation would also be used if the user wanted to open a brf
> >> file.
> >>
> >> John
> >> On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 06:25:31AM -0500, Keith Creasy wrote:
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Back-translation only applies to BrailleBlaster in reference to six-key
> >>> Braille input and the desire to have both a text and Braille view.If that
> >>> is for some reason not the case then I guess we need to decide that.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Keith
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:23 AM, Larry Skutchan <lskutchan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps APH expanded the project's scope by targeting the development of
> >>>> a tool that transcribers could use to produce effective, accurate
> >>>> braille from EPUB or NIMAS files. Some of the techniques planned could
> >>>> use accurate back translation.
> >>>> How serious are the back translation problems?
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael
> >>>> Whapples
> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:49 AM
> >>>> To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: LiblouisUTDML and backtranslate
> >>>> string
> >>>>
> >>>> My understanding was that the project was to build a tool for producing
> >>>> Braille documents. Maintaining the original text and indexing it with
> >>>> translated Braille I believe is to remove the need for backtranslation,
> >>>> whilst allowing synchronisation of text and Braille (eg. for embossers
> >>>> with ink and Braille, to know where edited Braille is, etc).
> >>>>
> >>>> May be things moved on without me knowing and may be backtranslation is
> >>>> part of the project scope now. If it is may be someone could explain how
> >>>> it fits in.
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Whapples
> >>>>> On 24/01/2014 09:43, Larry Skutchan wrote:
> >>>>> Isn't a reliable back translation one of the premises we build this
> >>>>> project on?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> [mailto:brailleblaster-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J.
> >>>>> Boyer
> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:11 PM
> >>>>> To: brailleblaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>> Subject: [brailleblaster] Re: LiblouisUTDML and backtranslate
> >>>>> string
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The string does not have to be in xml format. That said, try to avoid
> >>>>> back-translation as much as possible. It is unreliable. Granted, there
> >>>>> are some bugs, but even under the best of conditions it can give bad
> >>>>> results. ViewPlus discovered this, and it wºas one reason they proposed
> >>>>> UTDML.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> John
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 03:26:32PM -0500, Brandon Roller wrote:
> >>>>>> Does the string that I want to back translate need to be in xml
> >>>>>> format like translateString? I can't find anything about
> >>>>>> backtranslateString in the liblouisutdml documentation.
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc.
> >>>>> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
> >>>>> Madison, Wisconsin USA
> >>>>> Developing software for people with disabilities
> >>>>
> >
> >
>
>
>
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John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
Abilitiessoft, Inc.
http://www.abilitiessoft.com
Madison, Wisconsin USA
Developing software for people with disabilities
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