[bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
- From: "solsticesinger" <solsticesinger@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:30:46 -0500
I can definitely understand where you're coming from, Jackie. That kind of
behavior would be difficult to deal with, I'm sure.
What concerns me is that people who are new to the list see these types of
messages, and it can be frightening.
Also, if this person doesn't submit good scans, then perhaps it would be
better just not to take any of her submissions. She might learn faster by
not getting her scans approved, than by having people talking about her on
list.
Shannon
I am only one; but still I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do
something. And, because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the
something I can do.
Everet Edward Hale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
Shannon, I would respectfully submit that 1 does not get disapproved
of easily--it requires a consistent, longterm behavior patern. & even
then, I think if some1 were to come forward & say, "u know, I realize
my past submissions haven't been up to snuff, but I really wanna do
better", there'd be folks jumpin up & down here--myself included--to
give that person all the help they could want & then some.
The fact is, given what I saw about this person, I think I'd like her.
She seems to have a social conscience, & I really do like her taste in
books. What I find unconscienable is her submissions liberally
littered w/junk characters, pages missing, lines of text where the
binder is not held flat, etc. 1 can tell these things by proofreading
one's submissions. & if there are problems w/the OCR of a particular
book, then 1 can ask for help in so many ways, by sending some1 the
book or the image files or asking them to get it from a library if
available--just a whole host of ways.
There is a *huge* difference between criticizing some1 as a person vs.
their behavior. I have nothing against this person--accept that it
appears to me she doesn't take the kind of care that submitting books
deserves. & I don't like that. I don't like it as a validator cuz I
end up beating my head for hours against a brick wall--hours that
could have been spent getting excellent books into the collection
instead of trying to get 1 book remotely up to speed. & I don't like
it on a personal level cuz I really do feel that if something is worth
doing, it's worth doing well. If I wanna run around in pj's in my
place, that's 1 thing--but I won't do it in public. The same applies.
If I need to do a quick-&-dirty scan for something I need immediately,
then so be it--but I certainly won't share that w/others till it's
cleaned up. I just really view bad submissions like that as being
discourteous especially because not very much effort is required to
eliminate these most common types of errors.
Underlying what u say sounds to me as though u either feel somehow
disapproved of or fear being so. I'm sorry if that's the case. But I
don't think folks do that unless they see some kind of virtually
unwaivering patern. In my case, I looked at several of this person's
scans & the same stuff kept reappearing & reappearing ad nauseum. I
don't think any1 here would disapprove of any1 if they'd only seek &
benefit from assistance. But when folks don't seem to care to do that,
that's where folks have trouble.
On 6/26/08, solsticesinger <solsticesinger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Often, I think the tone of this list can serve as a deterrent to people.
> Honestly, I can't say that I'd recommend it to anyone. I would recommend
> that people talk privately with other volunteers, but the tone of this
> list
> can be downright scary, especially if one is unlucky enough to be
> disapproved of by other esteemed members.
>
> Shannon
> I am only one; but still I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do
> something. And, because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do
> the
> something I can do.
> Everet Edward Hale
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:42 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
>
>
> If she joined perhaps she could have improved her scans sooner.
>
> E.
>
>
> At 10:56 AM 6/26/2008, you wrote:
>>Considering all the things that are being said about her on this list,
>>it's
>>no wonder she doesn't join.
>>
>>Shannon
>>I am only one; but still I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do
>>something. And, because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do
>>the
>>something I can do.
>>Everet Edward Hale
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:24 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
>>
>>
>>Monica:
>>
>>When I've had trouble w/books in the past & my optacon was being
>>repaired, there have been sighted validators aplenty on this list who
>>were willing to help. They are a wonderful resource who don't get
>>thanked nearly enough--not by me & probably not by every1 else. She
>>could just send them the image files of the troublesome pages & they
>>could fix them up & send them back. & even those of us w/optacons
>>would be more than willing to help in situations like that. But this
>>person won't even join this list. & then there's all the stray caret &
>>slashes & backslashes, etc., sprinkled generously throughout, which
>>she could eliminate. Sorry. This is simply an individual who doesn't
>>care enough about her work, imo. & that more than irritates me. Can ya
>>tell?
>>
>>On 6/25/08, siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Monica,
>> >
>> > Perhaps people who do not want to be contacted should limit themselves
>> > to
>> > submitting scans that are within their capabilities. Most submitters
>> > appreciate it if a validator wants to contact them. Now don't take my
>> > message and answer it back with a lecture. (smile)
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Sue S.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:23 PM
>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, Jackie. In general, I agree with you. I'm glad people are looking
>> > out for quality on Bookshare and are working hard to improve it.
>> > However, I don't know if you've considered the issues the submitter
>> > may have faced as well. With a book like this that has Spanish, odd
>> > dialect, and street slang in it, I'm not sure that the OCR process
>> > would work as well to begin with. I don't know the submitter well and
>> > am speaking from my experience with scanning other books similar to
>> > this. There are some pages where the OCR software gets mixed up by
>> > English and Spanish on the same page and ends up making a mess. I have
>> > had to ask my daughter to type in pages like this because no amount of
>> > rescanning makes it better. I'm lucky to have a sighted family to help
>> > me. Some submitters don't have that option. It would make volunteering
>> > easier if people made it possible to contact them with questions
>> > though.
>> >
>> > in this instance, Laura Ann got direction from Bookshare, and that
>> > staff member was involved in looking at the final product. The staff
>> > seems to have decided that the book had merrit enough to be made
>> > available. Sometimes a validater has to make a tough call when a book
>> > is readable but can't be made perfect. Laura Ann has validated several
>> > of my books, and I know her to be a careful person who follows the
>> > volunteer manual closely. She agonized over this book, wanting to do
>> > the right thing. Maybe one of us who scan books will find a copy and
>> > can do a BSO soon.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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