[bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:01:26 -0700
Shannon, I would respectfully submit that 1 does not get disapproved
of easily--it requires a consistent, longterm behavior patern. & even
then, I think if some1 were to come forward & say, "u know, I realize
my past submissions haven't been up to snuff, but I really wanna do
better", there'd be folks jumpin up & down here--myself included--to
give that person all the help they could want & then some.
The fact is, given what I saw about this person, I think I'd like her.
She seems to have a social conscience, & I really do like her taste in
books. What I find unconscienable is her submissions liberally
littered w/junk characters, pages missing, lines of text where the
binder is not held flat, etc. 1 can tell these things by proofreading
one's submissions. & if there are problems w/the OCR of a particular
book, then 1 can ask for help in so many ways, by sending some1 the
book or the image files or asking them to get it from a library if
available--just a whole host of ways.
There is a *huge* difference between criticizing some1 as a person vs.
their behavior. I have nothing against this person--accept that it
appears to me she doesn't take the kind of care that submitting books
deserves. & I don't like that. I don't like it as a validator cuz I
end up beating my head for hours against a brick wall--hours that
could have been spent getting excellent books into the collection
instead of trying to get 1 book remotely up to speed. & I don't like
it on a personal level cuz I really do feel that if something is worth
doing, it's worth doing well. If I wanna run around in pj's in my
place, that's 1 thing--but I won't do it in public. The same applies.
If I need to do a quick-&-dirty scan for something I need immediately,
then so be it--but I certainly won't share that w/others till it's
cleaned up. I just really view bad submissions like that as being
discourteous especially because not very much effort is required to
eliminate these most common types of errors.
Underlying what u say sounds to me as though u either feel somehow
disapproved of or fear being so. I'm sorry if that's the case. But I
don't think folks do that unless they see some kind of virtually
unwaivering patern. In my case, I looked at several of this person's
scans & the same stuff kept reappearing & reappearing ad nauseum. I
don't think any1 here would disapprove of any1 if they'd only seek &
benefit from assistance. But when folks don't seem to care to do that,
that's where folks have trouble.
On 6/26/08, solsticesinger <solsticesinger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Often, I think the tone of this list can serve as a deterrent to people.
> Honestly, I can't say that I'd recommend it to anyone. I would recommend
> that people talk privately with other volunteers, but the tone of this list
> can be downright scary, especially if one is unlucky enough to be
> disapproved of by other esteemed members.
>
> Shannon
> I am only one; but still I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do
> something. And, because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do the
> something I can do.
> Everet Edward Hale
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "E." <thoth93@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:42 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
>
>
> If she joined perhaps she could have improved her scans sooner.
>
> E.
>
>
> At 10:56 AM 6/26/2008, you wrote:
>>Considering all the things that are being said about her on this list, it's
>>no wonder she doesn't join.
>>
>>Shannon
>>I am only one; but still I am one. I can not do everything, but I can do
>>something. And, because I can not do everything, I will not refuse to do
>>the
>>something I can do.
>>Everet Edward Hale
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:24 PM
>>Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
>>
>>
>>Monica:
>>
>>When I've had trouble w/books in the past & my optacon was being
>>repaired, there have been sighted validators aplenty on this list who
>>were willing to help. They are a wonderful resource who don't get
>>thanked nearly enough--not by me & probably not by every1 else. She
>>could just send them the image files of the troublesome pages & they
>>could fix them up & send them back. & even those of us w/optacons
>>would be more than willing to help in situations like that. But this
>>person won't even join this list. & then there's all the stray caret &
>>slashes & backslashes, etc., sprinkled generously throughout, which
>>she could eliminate. Sorry. This is simply an individual who doesn't
>>care enough about her work, imo. & that more than irritates me. Can ya
>>tell?
>>
>>On 6/25/08, siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Monica,
>> >
>> > Perhaps people who do not want to be contacted should limit themselves
>> > to
>> > submitting scans that are within their capabilities. Most submitters
>> > appreciate it if a validator wants to contact them. Now don't take my
>> > message and answer it back with a lecture. (smile)
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Sue S.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Monica Willyard" <rhyami@xxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:23 PM
>> > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: friends don't let friends date Jason
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi, Jackie. In general, I agree with you. I'm glad people are looking
>> > out for quality on Bookshare and are working hard to improve it.
>> > However, I don't know if you've considered the issues the submitter
>> > may have faced as well. With a book like this that has Spanish, odd
>> > dialect, and street slang in it, I'm not sure that the OCR process
>> > would work as well to begin with. I don't know the submitter well and
>> > am speaking from my experience with scanning other books similar to
>> > this. There are some pages where the OCR software gets mixed up by
>> > English and Spanish on the same page and ends up making a mess. I have
>> > had to ask my daughter to type in pages like this because no amount of
>> > rescanning makes it better. I'm lucky to have a sighted family to help
>> > me. Some submitters don't have that option. It would make volunteering
>> > easier if people made it possible to contact them with questions
>> > though.
>> >
>> > in this instance, Laura Ann got direction from Bookshare, and that
>> > staff member was involved in looking at the final product. The staff
>> > seems to have decided that the book had merrit enough to be made
>> > available. Sometimes a validater has to make a tough call when a book
>> > is readable but can't be made perfect. Laura Ann has validated several
>> > of my books, and I know her to be a careful person who follows the
>> > volunteer manual closely. She agonized over this book, wanting to do
>> > the right thing. Maybe one of us who scan books will find a copy and
>> > can do a BSO soon.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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