[bksvol-discuss] Re: TXT and page breaks
- From: "Jesse Fahnestock" <Jesse.F@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:07:44 -0700
Tom, there is such a program that is run on every book. The program attempts to
algorithmically retain the page breaks from the submitted file based on page
number and break positioning, and if no such information exists, inserts page
breaks on its own based on number of lines. There is a bug/design flaw that
keeps it from doing this in the BRF versions, but every DAISY book gets this
treatment. What we're discussing is ASCII text submit files that don't have
page information, i.e., ones that are passed to Bookshare.org without such
information. As noted in previous messages, volunteers are free to add
pagination in either ASCII or RTF if they would like as part of their
validation. This will then be carried over to the DAISY version of the book by
the automated tool.
jesse.
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tom Masterson
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:29 AM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: TXT and page breaks
I have not followed all of this thread but I can say this. It would be a
fairly easy matter to create a program that would put in page breaks at an
appropriate spot. You would have to pick the approximate number of
characters on a print page (arount 70 pere line and 56 lines) and either put
in the page break or look for the page numbers. I will note that in the brf
books I normally read there are rarely page numbers (which is fine). I also
don't think adding page breaks even in the wrong places will hurt copyright
as it is done all the time for hardcopy braille. I am not a lawyer but it
seems that it doesn't really change either the format or the content. I am
actually suprised that bookshare doesn't already have a program to put in
page breaks if it is important. If this would be of interest let me know
and I will see what I can throw together in my small amounts of spare time.
Tom Masterson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dilsia A. Martinez" <dilsiam@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 11:52
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: TXT and page breaks
>
> Hi guys:
>
>
> I began to follow the thread in my new e-mail address
> and found what you can do to txt files. Thank you for
> your support. Although I would like that submitters
> put the page numbers<grin>. I, Robot will be up as
> soon I get the book copy.
>
> Very truly yours
> Dilsia A. Martinez
>
> --- "Dilsia A. Martinez" <dilsiam@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi volunteers:
> >
> > I downloaded a txt file to validate but it is
> > frustating that the file doesn't have the page
> > numbers, nor page breaks. I am not sure if txt allow
> > page breaks but the book I 'm validating I, Robot is
> > a
> > too good scan to reject just for the lack of page
> > numbers at least.<sigh>
> >
> > Very truly yours
> > Dilsia
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> > <curiousentity@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I would write privately, but there just might be
> > > someone else out there
> > > experiencing the same problem. The solution for
> > the
> > > scrolling issue is to
> > > turn on word wrap in notepad or what ever program
> > > you are using. The option
> > > is in the edit menu in notepad, but may be in
> > other
> > > places in other
> > > programs.
> > > Sorry I can't help with a better program to use
> > > because I always use
> > > Kurzweil or word for editing books.
> > >
> > > Sarah Van Oosterwijck
> > > curious entity at earthlink dot net
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 1:09 PM
> > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: TXT and page breaks
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jesse,
> > > > I agree with what Pratik said.
> > > > Furthermore, often it's a choice of me, the
> > > volunteer, putting the page
> > > > breaks into the txt file, or having none at all.
> >
> > > For myself, a dedicated
> > > > BRF file user, page breaks make no difference at
> > > all, but Guido says the
> > > > lack of breaks really screws up the Daisy files.
> >
> > > So I try to do the best
> > > > job I can, and put them in, which turns out to
> > be
> > > a gigantic pain. If I
> > > > could only convert the txt to rtf, it would be
> > so
> > > much easier.
> > > >
> > > > I tried Textpad, but I have the same problem
> > with
> > > it that I have with
> > > > Notepad, namely that the lines go on way past
> > > where Jaws reads, so to read
> > > > them I need to keep scrolling right. I guess
> > that
> > > kind of scrolling is
> > > > easy with a mouse, but it's not with Jaws. If
> > > anyone knows how to do it
> > > > without physically moving the cursor, please
> > tell
> > > me privately.
> > > > carcione@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > But perhaps Textpad will serve for putting in
> > > these pesky page breaks.
> > > > Tracy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004, Jesse Fahnestock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tracy --
> > > > >
> > > > > The answer as to why txt submissions need to
> > be
> > > resubmitted as RTF is, I
> > > believe, that our system is set up to minimize the
> > > introduction of errors or
> > > new elements (the latter of which is questionable
> > in
> > > terms of copyright).
> > > While I'm not suggesting you wouldn't get the
> > pages
> > > right, allowing
> > > volunteers to resubmit in RTF would allow the
> > > potential for incorrect
> > > structure and formatting to be added to the book,
> > > "by default" as it were
> > > (or by MSWord). At least I believe that was the
> > > thinking.
> > > > >
> > > > > I understand that it's possible to enter "form
> > > feed" page breaks in text
> > > files. Pratik, was it not you who told me about
> > > that? Can you clarify for
> > > Tracy?
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, I heartily recommend TextPad
> > > (www.textpad.com) as a quality
> > > free editor for text files (and HTML, if you need
> > > that).
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > [mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
> > > Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> > > > > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:40 PM
> > > > > To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject: [bksvol-discuss] TXT and page breaks
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When I got the txt file I'm working on, it had
> > > page breaks, but as soon
> > > as I
> > > > > brought it into Word to work on and saved it,
> > > the page breaks
> > > disappeared.
> > > > > Is there any way to stop this happening? And
> > > DON'T say to edit it in
> > > K1K,
> > > > > because it ALWAYS crashes, sooner or later.
> > > > >
> > > > > I never got an answer as to why, oh why, do I
> > > have to put a txt file
> > > back as
> > > > > txt, when, if I only had the option of putting
> > > it back as RTF, I could
> > > > > easily fix the page breaks, and not have to
> > > hassle with K1K's
> > > problematic
> > > > > editing, which is the only way I know to get
> > the
> > > pesky breaks to stay in
> > > > > txt. Why must I suffer? Is there actually a
> > > reason txt must stay txt?
> > > I
> > > > > want an answer from Admin, not someone else's
> > > guesses.
> > > > > Tracy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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