[bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
- From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:57:53 -0500
Hi, grace, and thanks for doing it. It's so odd how it got changed to Kathy
like that! Actually, when I fill out a field, I rarely ever type the
information. I copy and paste to make sure I don't do something like that,
and I do that with every field, even the copyright, so I don't mess
something up. It's really odd! Anyway, thanks for doing it. Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Hi Julie:
Actually it was. *smile* That's why it took some time to get approved. I
believe it got kicked back 3 times because essentially the author was
incorrect. You said that your subscription was expiring, and I vaguely
remembered you posting that you submitted it so I validated it for you. I
couldn't figure out why the author was written as Cathy when the book
clearly said Cathryn.
I always look at a book's history in case there are questions that need to
be answered.
Grace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
> Hi, grace. That wouldn't have happened to have been THE UNKNOWN TWIN, was
> it? I noticed that in the admin cue and couldn't believe it, because the
> author was Kathryn Shay, but the admin cue said Kathy. I know I didn't put
> that in there, so I was wondering if maybe another validator before you
> had
> changed it? I was wondering why it was taking so long for that book to be
> approved and that would definitely explain it. I make a habit of rereading
> every field after I enter the information so things like that don't
> happen,
> so I thought that was really strange. Take care.
> Julie Morales
> Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:30 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>
>
> I am pretty sure that your surmise is correct.
> Sometimes people do put in incorrect information on the submission form.
> For
> instance, I recently validated a book in which the author was Cathryn but
> the submission form said Cathy, and the book clearly stated that "Cathryn"
> was the author and copy right holder.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:13 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>
>
>>I just checked, and it hasn't come back yet. But if it does, I will do as
>>you advise. I did enter in the comments field when I uploaded the book
>>this morning that the title and copyright information was correct, but I
>>did not actually paste the information into the field. Maybe that will be
>>good enough, but if not, I will do it when it comes back.
>>
>> My problem is not that this information needs to be accurate, or that it
>> may have been returned because of uncertainty about the accuracy of the
>> information. My problem is really with the uninformative nature of the
>> reason given for the return - especially the second time. The first
>> time,
>> I can understand that. But after someone else looked at it and sent it
>> back up, it might have occurred to him that a little clearer
>> communication
>> might be a good idea since the book still had the same problem after two
>> validations. That's my biggest problem. I'm still only guessing that it
>> has something to do with the fact that the author's name and the
>> copyright
>> holder's name don't precisely match; but I can't know because I don't
>> have
>> the information to know that, and it would have been a quick and simple
>> matter to provide it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 PM
>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>
>>
>>> Evan:
>>>
>>> In Admin's defense, , they have no way of knowing that you did verify it
>>> with a print copy. In the future you can indicate this in the comments
>>> field. As a matter of fact, don't be surprised if the book comes back
>>> again since the question was not answered. If I were you I'd check the
>>> download page to see if the book was back again. -----
>>> This is a legal issue and bookshare has to be sure this information is
>>> accurate.
>>>
>>> I have validated a few hundred books and so have a good idea what is
>>> required. And still occasionally 1 of my books get kicked back. So don't
>>> be discouraged.
>>>
>>> All you have to do is indicate in the comments field who is the
>>> copyright
>>> holder and tell them that you verified with a print copy. I would also
>>> paste the title, copyright date and holder in the comments field.
>>>
>>> Grace
>>> Original Message -----
>>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:48 PM
>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yes, the title is complete. I bought a copy of the book online, and I
>>>> know it is complete. The copyright information is in the book, which
>>>> is
>>>> identical to that on the form. Verifying the copyright information
>>>> with
>>>> that .gov site at least is impossible, as their records are incomplete,
>>>> and several months behind besides as they say right there. But since I
>>>> own a copy and can readily read the copyright information, I saw no
>>>> need
>>>> to verify it. If he had a problem with the author's name and the
>>>> copyright holder's name not matching, then .... Well, I've already
>>>> covered that.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:02 PM
>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Was the title complete? There's been times that books get kicked back
>>>>> because the title is incomplete. I usually double check it with Bn.com
>>>>> or Amazon.com to be sure that the information is correct. And when I
>>>>> do
>>>>> this I let the admin know in the comments field that I
>>>>> verified it with these sources.
>>>>> In your case I would have double checked online, explained my findings
>>>>> on the comments field and pasted the copyright info on the comments
>>>>> field.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's a tip on Jake's site on verifying copyright information.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tip.asp?id=22
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 PM
>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as the copyright information and the author information not
>>>>>> jibing goes, the author is Kate Elliott, and the copyright holder is
>>>>>> Katrina Elliott. Maybe that's what set him off, but it is correct on
>>>>>> the form and in the book. This is book six in the series, and all
>>>>>> five previous books are by Kate Elliott, copyright Katrina Elliott.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But if the book was kicked back once, and Ginny validated it and sent
>>>>>> it back up, why was it kicked back a second time. This is the most
>>>>>> irritating part of this thing. If Gustavo had just taken one minute
>>>>>> to write a simple sentence - at least the second time - giving just a
>>>>>> tiny bit more information, a lot of time and bandwidth could have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> put to better use. If the fact that the author's name and the
>>>>>> copyright holder's name didn't exactly match is what bothered him,
>>>>>> then why didn't he just say so. If it's another issue, then why
>>>>>> didn't he say what it was, especially after kicking it back for a
>>>>>> second time? I'm going to keep on asking this question until I get
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> answer. It really bugs me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When it gets kicked back with a comment about
>>>>>>> something needs to be checked, it's administrative
>>>>>>> staff, even though Gustavo's name isn't on it. Ginny
>>>>>>> probably was a volunteer to worked on it at one time
>>>>>>> and released it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What happens is this, although maybe you've already
>>>>>>> figured it out from all the responses:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After you validate a book and upload it, it gets
>>>>>>> checked by a bookshare employee, usually Gustavo at
>>>>>>> this time. He doesn't look at the book itself--just at
>>>>>>> the form, so if, originally, the copyright holder's
>>>>>>> name was not in the space in the submission form, or
>>>>>>> if, perhaps, it didn't jibe with the author's name
>>>>>>> (since in this case the translator holds the
>>>>>>> copyright)and so looked suspicious to Gustavo or
>>>>>>> someone, it would be kicked back with a note to have
>>>>>>> it checked. Unfortunately, so far bookshare hasn't
>>>>>>> replaced any former employees who helped in the
>>>>>>> checking and so books get backlogged in the
>>>>>>> admdinistrator queue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also unfortunately, the copyright law and liability
>>>>>>> problems prevent any of us volunteers being able to
>>>>>>> help with the checking, which would be really easy and
>>>>>>> would unblock the clogged queue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a good thing you happened to notice that your
>>>>>>> book was back on the download list. Many of us haven't
>>>>>>> been, assuming all is well, and while we wait for our
>>>>>>> book to be approved, and we don't know it's back on
>>>>>>> the list for some minor problem to be solved, someone
>>>>>>> else takes it and validates it anew and uploads it
>>>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The glitch, as I think Jake pointed out, is that the
>>>>>>> original is the book that is returned, not the
>>>>>>> validated copy, so instead of someone other than the
>>>>>>> validator, who notices the book and sees what's
>>>>>>> required, being able to download it and put in the
>>>>>>> missing information and uploading it, that person has
>>>>>>> to do a whole new validation. That's why, as Jake
>>>>>>> said, I and others have started to keep out validated
>>>>>>> copies so we can just upload them and correct the
>>>>>>> form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope I haven't further confused you and that my
>>>>>>> explanation is clear and is not duplicative. I tend to
>>>>>>> talk and write too much sometimes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>
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