I am pretty sure that your surmise is correct.
Sometimes people do put in incorrect information on the submission form. For
instance, I recently validated a book in which the author was Cathryn but
the submission form said Cathy, and the book clearly stated that "Cathryn"
was the author and copy right holder.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
I just checked, and it hasn't come back yet. But if it does, I will do as you advise. I did enter in the comments field when I uploaded the book this morning that the title and copyright information was correct, but I did not actually paste the information into the field. Maybe that will be good enough, but if not, I will do it when it comes back.
My problem is not that this information needs to be accurate, or that it may have been returned because of uncertainty about the accuracy of the information. My problem is really with the uninformative nature of the reason given for the return - especially the second time. The first time, I can understand that. But after someone else looked at it and sent it back up, it might have occurred to him that a little clearer communication might be a good idea since the book still had the same problem after two validations. That's my biggest problem. I'm still only guessing that it has something to do with the fact that the author's name and the copyright holder's name don't precisely match; but I can't know because I don't have the information to know that, and it would have been a quick and simple matter to provide it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Evan:
In Admin's defense, , they have no way of knowing that you did verify it with a print copy. In the future you can indicate this in the comments field. As a matter of fact, don't be surprised if the book comes back again since the question was not answered. If I were you I'd check the download page to see if the book was back again. ----- This is a legal issue and bookshare has to be sure this information is accurate.
I have validated a few hundred books and so have a good idea what is required. And still occasionally 1 of my books get kicked back. So don't be discouraged.
All you have to do is indicate in the comments field who is the copyright holder and tell them that you verified with a print copy. I would also paste the title, copyright date and holder in the comments field.
Grace
Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:48 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Yes, the title is complete. I bought a copy of the book online, and I know it is complete. The copyright information is in the book, which is identical to that on the form. Verifying the copyright information with that .gov site at least is impossible, as their records are incomplete, and several months behind besides as they say right there. But since I own a copy and can readily read the copyright information, I saw no need to verify it. If he had a problem with the author's name and the copyright holder's name not matching, then .... Well, I've already covered that.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Was the title complete? There's been times that books get kicked back because the title is incomplete. I usually double check it with Bn.com or Amazon.com to be sure that the information is correct. And when I do this I let the admin know in the comments field that I
verified it with these sources.
In your case I would have double checked online, explained my findings on the comments field and pasted the copyright info on the comments field.
There's a tip on Jake's site on verifying copyright information.
http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tip.asp?id=22
Hope this helps.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
As far as the copyright information and the author information not jibing goes, the author is Kate Elliott, and the copyright holder is Katrina Elliott. Maybe that's what set him off, but it is correct on the form and in the book. This is book six in the series, and all five previous books are by Kate Elliott, copyright Katrina Elliott.
But if the book was kicked back once, and Ginny validated it and sent it back up, why was it kicked back a second time. This is the most irritating part of this thing. If Gustavo had just taken one minute to write a simple sentence - at least the second time - giving just a tiny bit more information, a lot of time and bandwidth could have been put to better use. If the fact that the author's name and the copyright holder's name didn't exactly match is what bothered him, then why didn't he just say so. If it's another issue, then why didn't he say what it was, especially after kicking it back for a second time? I'm going to keep on asking this question until I get an answer. It really bugs me.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
When it gets kicked back with a comment about something needs to be checked, it's administrative staff, even though Gustavo's name isn't on it. Ginny probably was a volunteer to worked on it at one time and released it.
What happens is this, although maybe you've already figured it out from all the responses:
After you validate a book and upload it, it gets checked by a bookshare employee, usually Gustavo at this time. He doesn't look at the book itself--just at the form, so if, originally, the copyright holder's name was not in the space in the submission form, or if, perhaps, it didn't jibe with the author's name (since in this case the translator holds the copyright)and so looked suspicious to Gustavo or someone, it would be kicked back with a note to have it checked. Unfortunately, so far bookshare hasn't replaced any former employees who helped in the checking and so books get backlogged in the admdinistrator queue.
Also unfortunately, the copyright law and liability problems prevent any of us volunteers being able to help with the checking, which would be really easy and would unblock the clogged queue.
It's a good thing you happened to notice that your book was back on the download list. Many of us haven't been, assuming all is well, and while we wait for our book to be approved, and we don't know it's back on the list for some minor problem to be solved, someone else takes it and validates it anew and uploads it correctly.
The glitch, as I think Jake pointed out, is that the original is the book that is returned, not the validated copy, so instead of someone other than the validator, who notices the book and sees what's required, being able to download it and put in the missing information and uploading it, that person has to do a whole new validation. That's why, as Jake said, I and others have started to keep out validated copies so we can just upload them and correct the form.
I hope I haven't further confused you and that my explanation is clear and is not duplicative. I tend to talk and write too much sometimes.
Cindy
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