You're welcome. You did an excellent job with the scan. I don't think I made
any corrections except on the submission form. Keep up the excellent work.
Sometimes when the mood strikes me, I look for books that have been kicked
back and try to resolve the issue so that they won't linger forever on step
1.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:57 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Hi, grace, and thanks for doing it. It's so odd how it got changed to Kathy
like that! Actually, when I fill out a field, I rarely ever type the
information. I copy and paste to make sure I don't do something like that,
and I do that with every field, even the copyright, so I don't mess
something up. It's really odd! Anyway, thanks for doing it. Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 4:40 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Hi Julie:
Actually it was. *smile* That's why it took some time to get approved. I believe it got kicked back 3 times because essentially the author was incorrect. You said that your subscription was expiring, and I vaguely remembered you posting that you submitted it so I validated it for you. I couldn't figure out why the author was written as Cathy when the book clearly said Cathryn.
I always look at a book's history in case there are questions that need to be answered.
Grace
----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:56 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Hi, grace. That wouldn't have happened to have been THE UNKNOWN TWIN, was
it? I noticed that in the admin cue and couldn't believe it, because the
author was Kathryn Shay, but the admin cue said Kathy. I know I didn't put
that in there, so I was wondering if maybe another validator before you
had
changed it? I was wondering why it was taking so long for that book to be
approved and that would definitely explain it. I make a habit of rereading
every field after I enter the information so things like that don't
happen,
so I thought that was really strange. Take care.
Julie Morales
Life is a gift from God. What we do with it is our gift to Him.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
I am pretty sure that your surmise is correct.
Sometimes people do put in incorrect information on the submission form.
For
instance, I recently validated a book in which the author was Cathryn but
the submission form said Cathy, and the book clearly stated that "Cathryn"
was the author and copy right holder.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 11:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
I just checked, and it hasn't come back yet. But if it does, I will do as
you advise. I did enter in the comments field when I uploaded the book
this morning that the title and copyright information was correct, but I
did not actually paste the information into the field. Maybe that will be
good enough, but if not, I will do it when it comes back.
My problem is not that this information needs to be accurate, or that it
may have been returned because of uncertainty about the accuracy of the
information. My problem is really with the uninformative nature of the
reason given for the return - especially the second time. The first
time,
I can understand that. But after someone else looked at it and sent it
back up, it might have occurred to him that a little clearer
communication
might be a good idea since the book still had the same problem after two
validations. That's my biggest problem. I'm still only guessing that it
has something to do with the fact that the author's name and the
copyright
holder's name don't precisely match; but I can't know because I don't
have
the information to know that, and it would have been a quick and simple
matter to provide it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:35 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Evan:
In Admin's defense, , they have no way of knowing that you did verify it
with a print copy. In the future you can indicate this in the comments
field. As a matter of fact, don't be surprised if the book comes back
again since the question was not answered. If I were you I'd check the
download page to see if the book was back again. ----- This is a legal issue and bookshare has to be sure this information is
accurate.
I have validated a few hundred books and so have a good idea what is
required. And still occasionally 1 of my books get kicked back. So don't
be discouraged.
All you have to do is indicate in the comments field who is the copyright holder and tell them that you verified with a print copy. I would also paste the title, copyright date and holder in the comments field.
Grace
Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 8:48 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Yes, the title is complete. I bought a copy of the book online, and I
know it is complete. The copyright information is in the book, which
is
identical to that on the form. Verifying the copyright information
with
that .gov site at least is impossible, as their records are incomplete,
and several months behind besides as they say right there. But since I
own a copy and can readily read the copyright information, I saw no
need
to verify it. If he had a problem with the author's name and the
copyright holder's name not matching, then .... Well, I've already
covered that.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silvara" <silvara@xxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:02 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Was the title complete? There's been times that books get kicked back
because the title is incomplete. I usually double check it with Bn.com
or Amazon.com to be sure that the information is correct. And when I
do
this I let the admin know in the comments field that I
verified it with these sources.
In your case I would have double checked online, explained my findings
on the comments field and pasted the copyright info on the comments
field.
There's a tip on Jake's site on verifying copyright information.
http://www.jbrownell.com/bks/tip.asp?id=22
Hope this helps.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
As far as the copyright information and the author information not
jibing goes, the author is Kate Elliott, and the copyright holder is
Katrina Elliott. Maybe that's what set him off, but it is correct on
the form and in the book. This is book six in the series, and all
five previous books are by Kate Elliott, copyright Katrina Elliott.
But if the book was kicked back once, and Ginny validated it and sent
it back up, why was it kicked back a second time. This is the most
irritating part of this thing. If Gustavo had just taken one minute
to write a simple sentence - at least the second time - giving just a
tiny bit more information, a lot of time and bandwidth could have
been
put to better use. If the fact that the author's name and the
copyright holder's name didn't exactly match is what bothered him,
then why didn't he just say so. If it's another issue, then why
didn't he say what it was, especially after kicking it back for a
second time? I'm going to keep on asking this question until I get
an
answer. It really bugs me.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cindy" <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:28 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
When it gets kicked back with a comment about something needs to be checked, it's administrative staff, even though Gustavo's name isn't on it. Ginny probably was a volunteer to worked on it at one time and released it.
What happens is this, although maybe you've already figured it out from all the responses:
After you validate a book and upload it, it gets checked by a bookshare employee, usually Gustavo at this time. He doesn't look at the book itself--just at the form, so if, originally, the copyright holder's name was not in the space in the submission form, or if, perhaps, it didn't jibe with the author's name (since in this case the translator holds the copyright)and so looked suspicious to Gustavo or someone, it would be kicked back with a note to have it checked. Unfortunately, so far bookshare hasn't replaced any former employees who helped in the checking and so books get backlogged in the admdinistrator queue.
Also unfortunately, the copyright law and liability problems prevent any of us volunteers being able to help with the checking, which would be really easy and would unblock the clogged queue.
It's a good thing you happened to notice that your book was back on the download list. Many of us haven't been, assuming all is well, and while we wait for our book to be approved, and we don't know it's back on the list for some minor problem to be solved, someone else takes it and validates it anew and uploads it correctly.
The glitch, as I think Jake pointed out, is that the original is the book that is returned, not the validated copy, so instead of someone other than the validator, who notices the book and sees what's required, being able to download it and put in the missing information and uploading it, that person has to do a whole new validation. That's why, as Jake said, I and others have started to keep out validated copies so we can just upload them and correct the form.
I hope I haven't further confused you and that my explanation is clear and is not duplicative. I tend to talk and write too much sometimes.
Cindy
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