[bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
- From: "Evan Reese" <mentat1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:33:27 -0800
Well, that is at least some relief.
But could you also drop Gustavo a note about being more informative about why
books are kicked back, especially when they are kicked back for the second time
for the same reason after going through two different validaters? That would
really be helpful.
I sent up the good copy again this morning, after verifying that the title and
copyright information were complete. If it comes back again, he really needs
to be more forthcoming about the problem he is having.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Brownell
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 3:22 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Hi Evan,
Not true to the first part of your message. You are shown as having done
a VALID action which means you have validated the book. However, the comment
history goes on to show that RETURNNEW which is synonimous with return the
submitted copy. This means that your VALID action was undone. Yes, your name
shows up, but anyone who knows how to interpret the comment history will know
that your book is not the one on the site.
Also, the comment history is only available to users in the validation stage.
The information is of course available to administrators at the approval
process, and probably at other times as well.
BTW I have dropped Gustavo a note about allowing his name to be shown in the
comment history.
Jake
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 5:15 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
It is not true that my name won't be associated with a book of inferior
quality which I fixed up. If the book gets kicked back for any reason, then
someone validates it and it gets approved, then the copy that gets published is
not the one I corrected, but the original submitted copy.
Look at the comment history. If Ginny downloaded the book that was kicked
back, then because of the bug you mentioned, she downloaded the original
version, not the one I sent up. If whatever problem Gustavo was having with it
had been fixed by her, and Gustavo approved it, then the original version would
have been published, not the one I sent up. And I'm still recorded in the
comment history as having validated that book, not the better one I sent up.
Also, because of this bug, if a book I send up gets kicked back, then no
one else could pick it up - unless I submitted it myself - because they would
get the original submission, not the one I put a lot of work into. The work
will all have been wasted, at least as far as other Bookshare readers getting
the benefits of it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Brownell
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 12:01 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Hi Evan,
If the BookShare system indicated that it had a rating for you and
then told you that the book was put into the administrative queue, then it
most likely was.
Also what is most likely is that Gustavo kicked it back to the step one
page with a request for something to be verified. Did you happen to check the
top of the comment history? If Gustavo did kick it back then the original copy
went back on the download list. We are aware that this is a bug in the system,
but again one of those things that just hasn't found funding yet. I imagine
this will be addressed in the rewriting of the site.
So, your name didn't go down for the bad copy and you found the book back
on the page, so you can upload the fixed copy, and no harm was done.
Periodically it's a good idea to check the step 1 page for kick backs so
someone else doesn't pick up the book you put a lot of work into.
HTH,
Jake
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: I just uploaded The Book Again
Yes, I'm adding to my own message.
I found the information I thought I was looking for about making sure
that a book was uploaded, but it applies to book submissions, not validations.
To prevent duplicate submissions, go to the Step One download page and see if
it is there. But after validation, where can I go to make sure the book I
uploaded has been successfully uploaded? The books awaiting administrator
approval list is compiled by Gustavo, not updated in real time as the Step One
download page appears to be.
This really bugs me, because the book as I downloaded it didn't have
the title at the top, and the copyright information was several pages down
after the publisher's puff material and dust jacket blurb. The comments by
some other people after I validated the book mentioned that the title and
copyright information needed to be verified. (I guess Gustavo or someone in
charge looked at it and sent it back to the Step One page because of this.)
The problem is, that if the title had been there, and the copyright information
had been easier to find, then the book the submitter sent up - with many more
errors than the one I sent up - would have been approved. It would have looked
like I had validated a copy of the book which I didn't validate - a
porrer-quality one. I read through the entire book, and I want to make sure
that other people get the book I corrected. I do not want to validate books I
didn't actually check - which would have been the case if the book had had the
title at the beginning and the copyright information easier to find.
I will not validate any more books until I have a way of assuring that
the book I have actually checked is the one that is actually the one other
readers will get. As it is, I appear to have validated a book with flaws which
I had corrected in the book I attempted to upload. I changed the quality to
'excellent' from 'good' or 'fair', I added the ISBN number, which was in the
book submitted but not in the form the submitter filled out. I added a long
synopsis from the dust jacket, which wasn't in the form the submitter filled
out. Also, I corrected a typo in the brief synopsis. All this information was
there on the Step One download page this morning, as well as my name on a book
of lesser quality than the one I tried to upload on Sunday. Needless to say, I
am ticked.
I wonder how many others have unknowingly put there names on a book
that isn't really the one they fixed up. I can't be the first one this has
happened to. If the book is approved, why would they check on a book they may
have already read? They may - as I did - read the entire book, fixing every
error they find, only for readers to get the likely lesser-quality copy of the
book the submitter sent up with the validator's blessing. All that work for
nothing. Not that it's exactly onerous for a book lover to want to fix
everything and help readers to get the best book he or she can provide, but it
does take time, and all that time will have been wasted.
It wouldn't be so bad if the site had told me that the book hadn't
uploaded for some reason, but it analyzed the scanning quality, then told me
that it was approved. The scanning quality of the original would not have been
as high, I am sure of that. There were many good pages, but some pages had
words cut off, and others had junk characters.
Also, before anyone asks, I checked the path and filename before trying
to upload. I even opened the file to make sure it was the one I wanted to send.
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:13 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] I just uploaded The Book Again
Ok, I just uploaded the book I edited again - not the one on the Step
One download page. How do I make sure it got up there this time. I seem to
recall something somewhere on the site about checking to make sure the book was
uploaded, but I don't remember where.
This is rather irritating. It told me that the book was approved and
pending administrator approval, it would be published, but that's what it said
the last time.
By the way, I was wrong about the accuracy rating: It wasn't 99.6
percent, but 99.96 percent. My mnemory failed me. <smile> Now if only that
version gets published ....
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