What are you using to read offline? Some notetakers are better than others
at reading complex file structures.
Also, how do you transfer the file since you are offline?
Best,
David
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From: "Daveed Mandell" <daveedm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:49 PM
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time
range
Indeed, I would be very happy with a textfile that I could read in braille offline.
Regards,
Daveed Mandell
----- Original Message -----
From: Robbie <tickleberryfun@xxxxxxxxx>
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:35 pm
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time range
Hi Daveed!
I really don't think you'd be happier with a text file. The Audacity manual
is quite extensive and with no links to help you navigate, it would be much
more difficult to find things as it is online. But the online manual is not
that awkward really. Under Heading level 2 Tutorials you'll find a list of
the most common tasks. Click on any of these links and on the new site the
task you selected is heading level 1. Each step within that task is heading
level 2. So it's actually quite accessible. If you prefer, you can also find
a link for getting started under heading level 3 Quick Help on the main
site. There you'll find an introduction to the basics of importing files,
editing and recording.
Cheers! Robbie
-----Original Message-----
From: audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:audacity4blind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Daveed Mandell
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 9:57 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time
range
Hello:
Much of the information asked for here can be found in the manual. However,
the online manual is quite awkward and even rather difficult to work with. I
am looking for an offline manual. Where can one obtain an accessible manual
in any of the following formats: MS Word, RTF, TXT, Epub or PDF? I would
apreciate some assistance.
Many thanks.
Regards,
, Daveed Mandell
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:08 pm
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time
range
>
>
> That's good to know as are the other matters discussed in response to
> my question. However, the discussion raises, at least for me, another
> question.
>
> I would think that Audacity would serve more casual blind users better
> if there were specific commands, perhaps function key commands for
> moving the cursor in small increments. These commands are available in
> goldwave and in
> Mp3 Direct Cut. I don't know how many other programs they are found > in.
> For more casual sighted users of Audacity, they may not be important.
> But I expect there are a lot of blind users who won't learn enough
> about the program to have the information discussed in this thread.
> Audacity should be easy for the more casual user to use and having
> equivalent incremental commands as in the very popular Goldwave and
> Mp3 Direct Cut may encourage more casual blind users to adopt it.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bailes" <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:53 AM
> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> selected time range
>
>
> > Hi Gene,
> > just to add that after importing a file, the zoom level depends on
> > the length of the file, and so can vary widely.
> > If you execute the zoom normal command (ctrl+2), then the step size
> > is set to slightly more than a hundredth of a second. You can then
> > zoom out or in from there. For example if you zoom out three times
> > (ctrl+3, three times), then the step size will be just less than a > > tenth
of a second.
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, 19 July 2015, 17:12, Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > No, I was discussing how you move both markers. I haven't tried the
> > methods others discussed in answer to my question such as setting
> > the zoom level.
> > I
> > may play with the zoom level later today.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)" <lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:04 AM
> > Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> > selected time range
> >
> >
> >> Hello, Gene,
> >>
> >> I believe you wrote only about setting the right marker. Without
> >> left marker there isnot a selection. Am I wrong?
> >>
> >>
> >> Loek.
> >> ********************
> >> L.F. Meijer
> >> Isathc Sweersstraat 17
> >> 3861 EA Nijkerk
> >> T: 033-2464374
> >> M: 06-30022688
> >> E: lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> W: www.pengaarde.nl
> >> ********************
> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >> From: Gene
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 2:03 PM
> >> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> >> selected time range
> >>
> >> The commands don't do what I'm asking about. The point is not to
> >> create a selection, the point is to incrementally adjust a
> >> selection you have already made, changing both the cursor and the
> >> right marker as needed. And the shift left and right arrow
> >> commands don't change the selection incrementally.
> >>
> >> As an example of what I am describing, let's say you set the cursor
> >> somewhere in a file. You then set the right marker.
> >> using the listen commands you find that the cursor is a fraction of
> >> a second too far into the file and you find that the right marker
> >> is a fraction of a second before the position you want it to be.
> >> There should be commands that allow you to move each marker
> >> incrementally, by a tiny fraction of a second back or forward.
> >> Pressing the move back or forward command repeatedly would allow
> >> you to move the markers very precisely to where you want them to
> >> be.
> >> this is an essential feature for blind people to be able to edit
> >> precisely.
> >>
> >> Gene
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Steve the Fiddle" <stevethefiddle@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 6:26 AM
> >> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> >> selected time range
> >>
> >>
> >>> Gene wrote: "Shift left arrow and shift right arrow couldn't do > >>> what
> >>> is wanted because whatever they may do, they are only two commands"
> >>>
> >>> The set of 4 commands are:
> >>> 1) Shift + Left
> >>> 2) Shift + Right
> >>> 3) Ctrl + Shift + Left
> >>> 4) Ctrl + Shift + Right.
> >>>
> >>> For more details and additional selection commands, see;
> >>> http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/audacity_selection.html#keyboard
> >>>
> >>> Steve
> >>>
> >>> On 19 July 2015 at 12:18, Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>> No I don't have the JAWS scripts installed. And if I did, how > >>>> would
> >>>> shift
> >>>> left and right arrow do what I want? I asked about moving the > >>>> left
and
> >>>> right markers by increments. That means being able to move them > >>>> both
> >>>> forward and badckward by tiny increments. Anyone who uses > >>>> Goldwave
for
> >>>> serious editing or Mp3 Direct Cut for serious editing should know
what
> >>>> I
> >>>> am
> >>>> describing. Shift left arrow and shift right arrow couldn't do > >>>> what
is
> >>>> wanted because whatever they may do, they are only two commands.
What
> >>>> is
> >>>> needed are four commands. Move the left marker back > >>>> incrementally,
> >>>> move
> >>>> the
> >>>> left marker forward incrementally, move the right marker back
> >>>> incrementally
> >>>> and move the right arrow forward incrementally.
> >>>>
> >>>> Gene
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger"
<jacob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:43 AM
> >>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
selected
> >>>> time
> >>>> range
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Gene, do you have the jaws scripts installed, and are you using
> >>>>> windows/jaws?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Asking since think those shift and ctrl + left and right commands
are
> >>>>> included in the jaws scripts.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Stay well
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jacob Kruger
> >>>>> Blind Biker
> >>>>> Skype: BlZA
> >>>>> "Roger Wilco wants to welcome y'''ffthe space janitor's > >>>>> closet..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:43 PM
> >>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> >>>>> selected
> >>>>> time range
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I doubt it. Are you talking about commands that change where > >>>>>> you
are
> >>>>>> listening in a file while it is playing? I know that the > >>>>>> commands
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>> gave
> >>>>>> can change where you are listening. I don't know what, if
anything,
> >>>>>> they do
> >>>>>> when Audacity is stopped with a file opened. Whatever they may > >>>>>> do
> >>>>>> when
> >>>>>> Audacity is stopped, they don't do what I am asking about. I am
> >>>>>> asking
> >>>>>> about commands that move the left marker or the cursor, the same
> >>>>>> thing, a
> >>>>>> tiny increment to the right and left and another set of commands
that
> >>>>>> move
> >>>>>> the right marker incrementally to the right and left.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)"
> >>>>>> <lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:31 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> >>>>>> selected
> >>>>>> time range
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hello, Gene,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> To change the selected fragment:
> >>>>>>> a. to move the end position to the right: shift-arrow right.
> >>>>>>> but. to move the start position to the left: shift-arrow left.
> >>>>>>> can. to move the end position to the left: control-shift-arrow
left.
> >>>>>>> do. to move the start position to the right: > >>>>>>> control-shift-arrow
> >>>>>>> right.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is this you wished to know?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Loek.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ********************
> >>>>>>> L.F. Meijer
> >>>>>>> Isathc Sweersstraat 17
> >>>>>>> 3861 EA Nijkerk
> >>>>>>> T: 033-2464374
> >>>>>>> M: 06-30022688
> >>>>>>> E: lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> W: www.pengaarde.nl
> >>>>>>> ********************
> >>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Gene
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:45 PM
> >>>>>>> To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> >>>>>>> selected
> >>>>>>> time range
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Also, does audacity have a command to move a start or end > >>>>>>> marker
> >>>>>>> vack
> >>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>> forward by a fractional amount so you can not only hear where > >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> markers
> >>>>>>> are located, but also move them an incremental amount?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Gene
> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)"
> >>>>>>> <lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:47 PM
> >>>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
> >>>>>>> selected
> >>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>> range
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello, David,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The new commands as shift-f5 up to shift-f8 are useful > >>>>>>>> additional
> >>>>>>>> ones.
> >>>>>>>> Thanks.
> >>>>>>>> However, the c-command for a play cut preview was useful too.
This
> >>>>>>>> command hasnot any
> >>>>>>>> effect in the new version of Audacity, although it has been
defined
> >>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>> shortcut. How can I repair this?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Kind regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Loek.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ********************
> >>>>>>>> L.F. Meijer
> >>>>>>>> Isathc Sweersstraat 17
> >>>>>>>> 3861 EA Nijkerk
> >>>>>>>> T: 033-2464374
> >>>>>>>> M: 06-30022688
> >>>>>>>> E: lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>>>> W: www.pengaarde.nl
> >>>>>>>> ********************
> >>>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: David Bailes
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:14 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Audacity4blind
> >>>>>>>> Subject: [audacity4blind] Playback commands for checking a
selected
> >>>>>>>> time
> >>>>>>>> range
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In Audacity 2.1.1, there are four new playback commands to > >>>>>>>> check
> >>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> you've
> >>>>>>>> selected the time range which you want:
> >>>>>>>> 1. To play a short period before selection start, press > >>>>>>>> shift+F5.
> >>>>>>>> 2. To play a short period after selection start, press > >>>>>>>> shift+F6.
> >>>>>>>> 3. To play a short period before selection end, press > >>>>>>>> shift+F7.
> >>>>>>>> 4. To play a short period after selection end, press shift+F8.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Of these commands, shift+F7 to play a short period before
selection
> >>>>>>>> end
> >>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>> probably be the most useful. It allows you to listen to the > >>>>>>>> end
of
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> selection without having to listen to the whole selected time
> >>>>>>>> range.
> >>>>>>>> The periods before and after selection start/end share the > >>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>> settings as
> >>>>>>>> the play cut preview command (C), and can be set in the > >>>>>>>> playback
> >>>>>>>> category of
> >>>>>>>> Preferences.
> >>>>>>>> These commands are similar to the corresponding commands
available
> >>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> mp3directcut.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> David.
> >>>>>>>>
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