[audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time range

  • From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>, <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:15:31 -0500

I'll add that it may be possible to use the selection tool bar to do what I am asking about but I don't know enough about that to know how practical it is for a blind person to use it. If you can set a start and end point and then use the selection tool bar along with the listen commands introduced in the new version of Audacity for incremental adjustments, that may be adequate. But as I said, I don't know enough about the selection tool bar to know.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time range


The commands don't do what I'm asking about. The point is not to create a selection, the point is to incrementally adjust a selection you have already made, changing both the cursor and the right marker as needed. And the shift left and right arrow commands don't change the selection incrementally.

As an example of what I am describing, let's say you set the cursor somewhere in a file. You then set the right marker.
using the listen commands you find that the cursor is a fraction of a second too far into the file and you find that the right marker is a fraction of a second before the position you want it to be. There should be commands that allow you to move each marker incrementally, by a tiny fraction of a second back or forward. Pressing the move back or forward command repeatedly would allow you to move the markers very precisely to where you want them to be. this is an essential feature for blind people to be able to edit precisely.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve the Fiddle" <stevethefiddle@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 6:26 AM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time range


Gene wrote: "Shift left arrow and shift right arrow couldn't do what
is wanted because whatever they may do, they are only two commands"

The set of 4 commands are:
1) Shift + Left
2) Shift + Right
3) Ctrl + Shift + Left
4) Ctrl + Shift + Right.

For more details and additional selection commands, see;
http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/audacity_selection.html#keyboard

Steve

On 19 July 2015 at 12:18, Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No I don't have the JAWS scripts installed. And if I did, how would shift
left and right arrow do what I want? I asked about moving the left and
right markers by increments. That means being able to move them both
forward and badckward by tiny increments. Anyone who uses Goldwave for
serious editing or Mp3 Direct Cut for serious editing should know what I am
describing. Shift left arrow and shift right arrow couldn't do what is
wanted because whatever they may do, they are only two commands. What is
needed are four commands. Move the left marker back incrementally, move the
left marker forward incrementally, move the right marker back incrementally
and move the right arrow forward incrementally.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:43 AM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time
range


Gene, do you have the jaws scripts installed, and are you using
windows/jaws?

Asking since think those shift and ctrl + left and right commands are
included in the jaws scripts.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:43 PM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time range


I doubt it. Are you talking about commands that change where you are
listening in a file while it is playing? I know that the commands you gave
can change where you are listening. I don't know what, if anything, they do
when Audacity is stopped with a file opened. Whatever they may do when
Audacity is stopped, they don't do what I am asking about. I am asking
about commands that move the left marker or the cursor, the same thing, a
tiny increment to the right and left and another set of commands that move
the right marker incrementally to the right and left.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)"
<lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time range


Hello, Gene,

To change the selected fragment:
a. to move the end position to the right: shift-arrow right.
b. to move the start position to the left: shift-arrow left.
c. to move the end position to the left: control-shift-arrow left.
d. to move the start position to the right: control-shift-arrow right.

Is this you wished to know?

Kind regards,

Loek.

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:45 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time range

Also, does audacity have a command to move a start or end marker vack or
forward by a fractional amount so you can not only hear where the
markers
are located, but also move them an incremental amount?

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)"
<lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:47 PM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time
range


Hello, David,

The new commands as shift-f5 up to shift-f8 are useful additional ones.
Thanks.
However, the c-command for a play cut preview was useful too. This
command hasnot any
effect in the new version of Audacity, although it has been defined as
a
shortcut. How can I repair this?

Kind regards,

Loek.

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: David Bailes
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:14 PM
To: Audacity4blind
Subject: [audacity4blind] Playback commands for checking a selected
time
range

In Audacity 2.1.1, there are four new playback commands to check that
you've
selected the time range which you want:
1. To play a short period before selection start, press shift+F5.
2. To play a short period after selection start, press shift+F6.
3. To play a short period before selection end, press shift+F7.
4. To play a short period after selection end, press shift+F8.

Of these commands, shift+F7 to play a short period before selection end
will
probably be the most useful. It allows you to listen to the end of the
selection without having to listen to the whole selected time range.
The periods before and after selection start/end share the same
settings as
the play cut preview command (C), and can be set in the playback
category of
Preferences.
These commands are similar to the corresponding commands available in
mp3directcut.

David.

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