[audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time range

  • From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 14:08:45 -0500

That's good to know as are the other matters discussed in response to my question. However, the discussion raises, at least for me, another question.

I would think that Audacity would serve more casual blind users better if there were specific commands, perhaps function key commands for moving the cursor in small increments. These commands are available in goldwave and in Mp3 Direct Cut. I don't know how many other programs they are found in. For more casual sighted users of Audacity, they may not be important. But I expect there are a lot of blind users who won't learn enough about the program to have the information discussed in this thread. Audacity should be easy for the more casual user to use and having equivalent incremental commands as in the very popular Goldwave and Mp3 Direct Cut may encourage more casual blind users to adopt it.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Bailes" <david_bailes@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 7:53 AM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time range


Hi Gene,
just to add that after importing a file, the zoom level depends on the length of the file, and so can vary widely.
If you execute the zoom normal command (ctrl+2), then the step size is set to slightly more than a hundredth of a second. You can then zoom out or in from there. For example if you zoom out three times (ctrl+3, three times), then the step size will be just less than a tenth of a second.

David.




On Sunday, 19 July 2015, 17:12, Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No, I was discussing how you move both markers. I haven't tried the methods
others discussed in answer to my question such as setting the zoom level. I
may play with the zoom level later today.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)" <lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 11:04 AM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected time
range


Hello, Gene,

I believe you wrote only about setting the right marker. Without left
marker there isnot a selection. Am I wrong?


Loek.
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 2:03 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time range

The commands don't do what I'm asking about. The point is not to create a
selection, the point is to incrementally adjust a selection you have
already
made, changing both the cursor and the right marker as needed. And the
shift left and right arrow commands don't change the selection
incrementally.

As an example of what I am describing, let's say you set the cursor
somewhere in a file. You then set the right marker.
using the listen commands you find that the cursor is a fraction of a
second
too far into the file and you find that the right marker is a fraction of
a
second before the position you want it to be. There should be commands
that
allow you to move each marker incrementally, by a tiny fraction of a
second
back or forward. Pressing the move back or forward command repeatedly
would
allow you to move the markers very precisely to where you want them to be.
this is an essential feature for blind people to be able to edit
precisely.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve the Fiddle" <stevethefiddle@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 6:26 AM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time
range


Gene wrote: "Shift left arrow and shift right arrow couldn't do what
is wanted because whatever they may do, they are only two commands"

The set of 4 commands are:
1) Shift + Left
2) Shift + Right
3) Ctrl + Shift + Left
4) Ctrl + Shift + Right.

For more details and additional selection commands, see;
http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/audacity_selection.html#keyboard

Steve

On 19 July 2015 at 12:18, Gene <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No I don't have the JAWS scripts installed. And if I did, how would
shift
left and right arrow do what I want? I asked about moving the left and
right markers by increments. That means being able to move them both
forward and badckward by tiny increments. Anyone who uses Goldwave for
serious editing or Mp3 Direct Cut for serious editing should know what I
am
describing. Shift left arrow and shift right arrow couldn't do what is
wanted because whatever they may do, they are only two commands. What
is
needed are four commands. Move the left marker back incrementally, move
the
left marker forward incrementally, move the right marker back
incrementally
and move the right arrow forward incrementally.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2015 4:43 AM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time
range


Gene, do you have the jaws scripts installed, and are you using
windows/jaws?

Asking since think those shift and ctrl + left and right commands are
included in the jaws scripts.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Roger Wilco wants to welcome you...to the space janitor's closet..."

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 11:43 PM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a selected
time range


I doubt it. Are you talking about commands that change where you are
listening in a file while it is playing? I know that the commands you
gave
can change where you are listening. I don't know what, if anything,
they do
when Audacity is stopped with a file opened. Whatever they may do
when
Audacity is stopped, they don't do what I am asking about. I am
asking
about commands that move the left marker or the cursor, the same
thing, a
tiny increment to the right and left and another set of commands that
move
the right marker incrementally to the right and left.

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)"
<lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:31 PM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
selected
time range


Hello, Gene,

To change the selected fragment:
a. to move the end position to the right: shift-arrow right.
b. to move the start position to the left: shift-arrow left.
c. to move the end position to the left: control-shift-arrow left.
d. to move the start position to the right: control-shift-arrow
right.

Is this you wished to know?

Kind regards,

Loek.

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 10:45 PM
To: audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
selected
time range

Also, does audacity have a command to move a start or end marker vack
or
forward by a fractional amount so you can not only hear where the
markers
are located, but also move them an incremental amount?

Gene
----- Original Message ----- From: "L.F. Meijer (Pengaarde)"
<lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <audacity4blind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 2:47 PM
Subject: [audacity4blind] Re: Playback commands for checking a
selected
time
range


Hello, David,

The new commands as shift-f5 up to shift-f8 are useful additional
ones.
Thanks.
However, the c-command for a play cut preview was useful too. This
command hasnot any
effect in the new version of Audacity, although it has been defined
as
a
shortcut. How can I repair this?

Kind regards,

Loek.

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T: 033-2464374
M: 06-30022688
E: lfm@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- From: David Bailes
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2015 6:14 PM
To: Audacity4blind
Subject: [audacity4blind] Playback commands for checking a selected
time
range

In Audacity 2.1.1, there are four new playback commands to check
that
you've
selected the time range which you want:
1. To play a short period before selection start, press shift+F5.
2. To play a short period after selection start, press shift+F6.
3. To play a short period before selection end, press shift+F7.
4. To play a short period after selection end, press shift+F8.

Of these commands, shift+F7 to play a short period before selection
end
will
probably be the most useful. It allows you to listen to the end of
the
selection without having to listen to the whole selected time range.
The periods before and after selection start/end share the same
settings as
the play cut preview command (C), and can be set in the playback
category of
Preferences.
These commands are similar to the corresponding commands available
in
mp3directcut.

David.

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