Hi Michael, Many thanks for reminding me . I have QImage Pro that I used to use and then moved over to Lightroom for printing because the whole thing was more integrated. However . with the irritation level rapidly rising I'm going to play around with it a bit and maybe upgrade to the latest version. It certainly did a good job for me when I was using it. Robert _____ From: argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael Darling Sent: 18 July 2014 20:27 To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [argyllcms] Re: Do nothing Profile I haven't used it or tested it, but my understanding is a x-->x ICC profile conversion comes out the same way regardless of the rendering intent you select. I had the same frustration you had, and purchased QImage. It's a fantastic software package that has lots of features. I only use it to be able to print images already converted to a printer profile, while having a better program than the ACPU to use. QImage also handles optimizing the layout of multiple images to reduce wasted media. Going this route, you have your images already converted to the printer profile using the rendering intent you want. Then in QImage, you select "Prtr ICC" "OFF". And, if you want to have all your files at printer native resolution you can select "OFF" for "Prints", "Posters", "Interp". Or, you can have QImage handle the interpolation (it's fantastic at it - I just don't want to spend the processing power on each print, I want it to be cached, even though it takes a lot of hard drive space.) And, you can either have QImage handle the sharpening or if you have it already done in your image, you can select "0 (OFF)" for "Sharpen". (Again, it's fantastic at it, I just want it cached so go that route.) On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 8:58 AM, <robert@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I don't see how to do this in Photoshop or Lightroom Alan. If I select Application Manages Color, then I have to select a rendering intent ... in which case the application will presumably re-render the already rendered image, which clearly I don't want. How do you send it to the printer from Lightroom or Photoshop CS6 onwards without this happening? As for the ACPU ... yes, it's OK for something like printing targets, but it's extremely basic. If I have to go down that route I would prefer to use Photoshop CS5 or CS6. I really hope Adobe relaxes its color-management stranglehold and lets us make decisions for ourselves instead of putting us into a straight-jacket! Robert -----Original Message----- From: argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alan Goldhammer Sent: 18 July 2014 00:31 To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [argyllcms] Re: Do nothing Profile I don't understand this. If you have converted to a profile for your particular paper you just send it to the printer and make sure that the printer driver is set so that it doesn't interfere with your profiled image. You can do that part in LR or Photoshop right now. The ACPU is easy to use and I print out all my Argyll profile targets using it. Alan -----Original Message----- But I really would like to be able to do this from Lightroom/Photoshop as it's also for situations where I've converted to the destination and so don't want any color management.