The trustee can’t say something like “the estate does not wish to be surety for
the security.”
You’re right they can’t bill the man so they make up an entity, JOHN H DOE and
hope you will pay. It’s already payed for (Lieber code)so they are double
dipping.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 12:07 PM, Alla Miyets <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ray,
How do you rebut their presumption that you are a trustee for that name? The
hospital (entity)can't bill you (man/woman) as in commerce they do not see
wo/man.
On Thursday, July 8, 2021, 01:59:13 PM EDT, Ray Greninger
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Commerce is trade between fictions. Law of the sea.
Hospital bill-to whom or what is the statement addressed? It’s always a
fiction. Do you believe you should pay the bills of a fiction? If you are
trustee the answer is yes, but did you agree to be trustee for your own
estate? where did you do that? Yes, you got the service, but they didn’t “
bill” you, did they? They billed”it.” Why? Because it is your labor that
underwrites this whole system. How could they claim the man from whom all
value comes owes anything? It’s absolutely nuts, kooky, madcap but that’s
the system you are dealing with.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I participate in using dollars, promising delivery, posing obligations. The
issue with fiat currency is in that the United States is not the printer but
private bankers. But what does this have to do with paying a hospital bill
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:47 AM Ray Greninger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
You can’t pay for anything. all you can do is shuffle paper promises to
offset or discharge. FRN is just one way to do that. We can’t NOT
participate in this scheme unless we only trade in specie. Try that on
Amazon, you won’t get very far.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
True, so what?--
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:26 AM Ray Greninger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
All commerce is paper. Anything you sign has value. Everything in commerce
is a fiction based on a promise. Any corporation can turn a signature into
“money.” Doesn’t matter if it’s gov or a corporation it’s all the same. Our
signature is what gives the paper value.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Taxes is one thing. Hospital bill is another. So explain a bit more on
that. Hospital is a private business. Even if incorporated. You signed
into the hospital. Then what? Because if one can write off a hospital
bill. Why not utility bills? Or groceries? Try to explain further
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 8:23 AM Ray Greninger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Charley, everyone is still talking as though “they” don’t owe that tax. WE
don’t owe anyone in gov anything, the debtor does. For whatever reason
people get into trouble because they have somehow put themselves into the
position of surety for the debtor, or they think they have. It looks like
they go after the man because they figure you are the trustee and it’s
your job to settle the account. I don’t know if it matters whether or not
you are in their jurisdiction it’s your estate and you haven’t assigned a
trustee so they figure you are that guy. What I did worked, I think, is
because I told the hospital that the estate did not wish to be surety for
their securities. It’s my estate and they know it. Only I can speak for
it. Everything you sign is a security. I’m guessing here, but, that
probably forced them to go to the United States and press them to cover
their obligation. The point is the sovereign doesn’t owe anything and they
know that. They are just looking for the “tax payer” and they figure they
can con you into that role. I don’t think it’s about jurisdiction over you
so much as it’s about jurisdiction over the debtor. For some reason people
have a tough time wrapping their heads around that.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 3:41 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I know many who have done that including me. Just stopped paying.
Afterall I was not paying property taxes already. My great uncles saw to
that. Very few get called in on income tax by just not paying. What
happens if your one of the few? Chaulk it up to just the chosen one? What
is the back up plan?
For those who use their codes and do not pay? Never seen any success at
all from it. No matter how sensible it was interpreted by the common man.
Even the sound statement; "Show me the law" is left up to a jury of
twelve to decide. Some win, some lose. I've not lost yet.
I'll still stand on the basis I'm not in your jurisdicton and I've got
the proof. As a son of a sovereign who created the constitution and
stated I'm not involved in it. It tells me your United States
limitations. Why would I use any thing created from their forward in time
of history? It is just admitting I'm not a sovereign. I'm part of the
system. I'm a United States citizen. No thanks
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:04 AM Jb <tf4624@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And the call ins are where ?
I worry not about any section. I don’t pay any of the voluntary taxes.
Point is folks stop paying it already!
On Jul 8, 2021, at 3:55 AM, brian (Redacted sender "bhaz2" for DMARC)
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Also, you will notice that in that 3rd paragraph, the IRS states that
their legal right to inquire about your taxes falls within Title 26 USC
Sections 6001, 6011 and 6012(a), (and NO OTHER Section -emphasis mine!)
Study ONLY those 3 sections!
So, if you get ANY letter from a lowly IRS Agent (NOT the Commissioner)
and they mention ANY OTHER IRC Code (Title 26) Section outside of
Sections 6001, 6011 or 6012(a), then it is ILLEGAL for them to inquire!
Know too, that Title 26 comprises Sections 1-6999.
Title 27 USC (for the IRS) begins at Section 7000 and up, HOWEVER, Title
27 USC is ONLY for Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms! Sweeeeeeeet, eh!?!
Get in on Cary's Tuesday night call-ins at 7:30pm - 9pm CST, to learn
what you wont ever learn anywhere else!
peace, all!
b
On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 3:18:54 PM HST, Rick Paris
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for the info everyone!
On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Rick Miller <ricky520057@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am familiar w/all that. Just thought the guy that asked for the
information was not sure where to look.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:03 PM ejartz <ejartz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Rick,
I think what carries referring to is the 1040 instructions. There's a
page called disclosure, privacy act, and paperwork reduction act
notice, and it used to be on page 100, but the last two years they
moved it to 105 and 108. Just by scanning through the instruction
manual between pages 100 and 108. The statement he usually refers to is
in the first column, third paragraph and it's the first two or three
statements. And what a refers to is the IRS has the legal right to ask
for a returner statement and then they go on to mention something about
filing. What you need to do is go to Black's law dictionary and look up
the definition of file. You'll be surprised what it is
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 1:24 AM Rick Paris <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Does anyone know what page and paragraph of the 1040, where Cary
points out where he spoke in court about Statements and files, (filing)?
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